terrible drummers

Foreverain4 wrote on 7/14/2004, 3:14 PM

has anyone found some software similar to protools "beat detective" for vegas. you would think sony would be able to do something like this considering all the time stretching and beat detecting acid already does. i am sick of spending hrs editing drum tracks cause the stupid drummer wonders why he doesnt sound like professional.

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PipelineAudio wrote on 7/16/2004, 11:35 AM

Drumagog has a few prolems. Sometimes it does its own fade in out thing that can make it tricky to run certain samples. Also its own way of recording samples in to use seems to alter the sound. Its best to enter samples in manually, then save them as a *.gog file

One thing that would be cool if to have a slider function to more easily line up the samples' latency.

VegUser wrote on 7/16/2004, 12:15 PM

Not exactly, ever hear a drummer named Questlove (of the roots)? (and many others like him).

That guy can play. Make a metronome disapear OR....experiment and lay back or rush in unique ways (see d'angelos VooDoo CD).

Perfect tempo isn't "all" that's necessary - musicality is.
This comes from playing all styles and really knowing your instruments really.

PeterVred wrote on 7/17/2004, 7:05 AM

VegUser, you have an excellent view of what makes a good drummer.

larryo wrote on 7/17/2004, 8:17 AM

"Perfect tempo isn't "all" that's necessary - musicality is."

Can't agree more - but depending upon what the perceived difference is between "good tempo" and "perfect tempo". I've played with drummers who, on stage were creative as hell, made things happen and were more "musical" than most others in the band. But many of these guys would push turn-arounds, not feel the 10bpm difference from start to finish, etc. Not a big deal for a room full of dancing drunks, a big deal in the studio. My favorite drummers have always been the one's who can make it sound like a song with just the bass player.

I think drums are the single most important component of most music. As a guitarist, I basically feel there are more inadequate guitar players taking the stage than inadequate drummers. A good drummer can save the show, even with a mediocre guitarist. A good guitarist can't do much if he's backed up by a lousy drummer. But in the studio, the time and gear required to get a good drum sound can be a pain the ass for the short attention span guitarist who sitting there with a single SM57 in front his amp. In the end, my home project studio will always favor loops, drumagog, drum machines, etc. (the train blowing by my house right now is reason #1). In a live situation, I'd never consider using anything but a real drummer.

stakeoutstudios wrote on 7/17/2004, 12:18 PM

being a drummer myself, bad drummers in my studio are also the bane of my existance.

Now I'm a big Vegas fan, but I saw a feature in Pro Tools demonstrated to me the other day that is in my drum editing dreams!

you could select a track, hit tab and it would move to the next transient, on a raw just recorded un-edited, non-metronome recording! You could keep hitting tab and it would littlerally move through the beats in the drums! Can you imagine how wonderful this would be for drum editing!

bring it on Sony!

Jason
[www.stakeoutstudios.com]