Very funny, an idiot repply from a id...... (You work in SF?), I buy
this program the last year, and this year is discontinued, this is
regular for you?. If the next year SonicFoundry discontinued the
Vegas, You be a happy man? (With a discontinued product, without the
possibility of any upgrade), maybe you don't are a regitred user, and
don't bougth your Vegas, no spend money = no problem.

My advice for you:
1. Buy a goldfish bowl.
2. Put you head in the goldfish bowl.
3. Go with the goldfish bowl to the mental hospital

Bye Kris :(

Kris Blom wrote:
>>To resolve these issues you are having, I suggest the following:
>>1. Get a wife or girlfriend
>>2. Have 1-3 kids
>>3. Get a challenging and demanding job
>>4. Remember that life is short. Don't waste it all being bitter
and
>>full of hatrid over pidley little issues.
>>
>>Once following above steps, I am sure that you will no longer waste
>>your time or mine by cluttering up this forum with your slams. I
>>read this forum to learn, not to hear people with pent up
hostilities
>>vent. Also, when I bought VV, I don't remember them promising me a
>>life time of support or upgrades. I guess you would also have Ford
>>continue to mass produce parts for the Model-T, and ensure there
are
>>mechanics at every dealer that could service them. Get a grip, run
>>along, and go find something else to do.
>>
>>
>>Jesus Ramallo wrote:
>>>>The censor (like the NAZIS) delete my old advice, I post
>>>>this shame of SF again, and again.....(Olny need
>>>>copy+paste), and I will change my user name forever (When
>>>>SF filter my mensages, If SF don't want delete my advices,
>>>>post a official explanation of the trouble by SF)
>>>>
>>>>SonicFoundry yours clients need a good explanation about
>>>>your new politic of unsupport your programs.
>>>>------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>This is the request to a question to Sonicfoundy technical
>>>>support.
>>>>
>>>>>Unfortunately CD Architect has been discontinued, so there
>>>>>will be no more drive updates.
>>>>
>>>>A new email received today from SF:
>>>>
>>>>>Yes unfortunately we have discontinued CD Architect but we
>>>>>still offer support if you own it. If not keep on the look
>>>>>out for a new program that may be released before
>>>>>Christmas of this year. If you have any further questions
>>>>>please feel free to contact any of our Customer Service
>>>>>Representatives weekdays from 7:00am to 10:00pm CST at 1-
>>>>>800-57SONIC or reply directly to this email.
>>>>
>>>>I believe that SF is thinking in discontinued the
>>>>SoundForge also, and sold us a new program (based on the
>>>>mix of SounForge and CD Architect plus 24 bits) without the
>>>>posibility of a upgrade from SoundForge or CD Architect.
>>>>
>>>>I'm in a mistake?
>>>>
>>>>Any conclusion?
>>>>
>>>>Be carefull with Sonicfoundry, think before buy any product
>>>>of Sonicfoundry, the company not anounce the discontinued
>>>>of a program that cost hundreds of dollars, and unsuported
>>>>all customers, and delete your shame.
>>>>
>>>>Regards

>>My advice for you:
>>1. Buy a goldfish bowl.
>>2. Put you head in the goldfish bowl.
>>3. Go with the goldfish bowl to the mental hospital

LOL. Gosh I hate it when NG monsters make me laugh, stop it!

-david abraham

You know the word "SOLIDARITY"
Regards

David Abraham Fenton wrote:
>>>>My advice for you:
>>>>1. Buy a goldfish bowl.
>>>>2. Put you head in the goldfish bowl.
>>>>3. Go with the goldfish bowl to the mental hospital
>>
>>LOL. Gosh I hate it when NG monsters make me laugh, stop it!
>>
>>-david abraham
>>
>>
>>

Is easy, you need read this word with attention (You looks
intelligent). Afther, you will think about the use of a part of my
repply (Why don't use all?), for your (I think) bad intentions.
In my country Spain (Europe) have a very popular and old proverbs, I
remember:
"Cuando veas las barbas de tu vecino pelar, pon las tuyas a remojar"
in your languaje is like:
"If you see your neighbour in problems, you be cautious, you are the
next"
If SonicFoundry discontinued a program like the CD Architec (Is very
dificult use the new CD Recorders without drivers), is very easy that
in a sort period of time discontinued the Vegas or the SoundForge,
without any explanation, like the CD Architect case.
Now, you read "SOLIDARITY".
Bye

David Abraham Fenton wrote:
>>"SOLIDARITY"
>>
>>I'm not sure what you mean?

Gentlemen: Do you think you can take your discussion offline? To do
so, click on the author's name and you get the e-mail. As it's been
pointed out before, this forum deals with the use of Vegas, not
company shortcomings.

I actually do agree with Mr. Ramallo, but what does he think he'll
accomplish other than annoying fellow users? We can't do jack-crap
about it and basically, if you don't like it, don't use it; I don't
have a problem with SF and if I ever do....there's always another
choice.....

FYI:
solidarity (sòl´î-dàr´î-tê) noun
A union of interests, purposes, or sympathies among members of a
group; fellowship of responsibilities and interests.

Excerpted from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English
Language, Third Edition © 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Electronic version licensed from INSO Corporation; further
reproduction and distribution in accordance with the Copyright Law of
the United States. All rights reserved.

Now may we move on?

David Abraham Fenton wrote:
>>"SOLIDARITY"
>>
>>I'm not sure what you mean?
>>
>>
>>Jesus Ramallo wrote:
>>>>You know the word "SOLIDARITY"
>>>>Regards
>>>>
>>>>David Abraham Fenton wrote:
>>>>>>>>My advice for you:
>>>>>>>>1. Buy a goldfish bowl.
>>>>>>>>2. Put you head in the goldfish bowl.
>>>>>>>>3. Go with the goldfish bowl to the mental hospital
>>>>>>
>>>>>>LOL. Gosh I hate it when NG monsters make me laugh, stop it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-david abraham
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

Jesus Ramallo wrote:
>>Very funny, an idiot repply from a id...... (You work in SF?), I
>>My advice for you:
>>1. Buy a goldfish bowl.
>>2. Put you head in the goldfish bowl.
>>3. Go with the goldfish bowl to the mental hospital
>>


You tell him !

What are we supposed to use instead of CD architecht? that is the
BEST CD burning app out there...does SF have a new product?
I too am bummed, Mackie stopped supporting their ultramix VCA
automation, and I use that thing a lot...now I must run two
computers...one with 95 or 98 and the other with win2k...this sucks

Hi Aaron

>>What are we supposed to use instead of CD architecht? that is the
>>BEST CD burning app out there...does SF have a new product?

No new product. If SF make a new product, no problem, I update my CD
Architect, but anything, only a discontinued product. Hundreds of
dollars to the litter, and I need remain forever with my old CD
Recorder, I hope that CDR machine don't stop of work (When the CDR
burner fail, the CD Architect to the garbage). CD Architect was the
better burning app.

>>I too am bummed, Mackie stopped supporting their ultramix VCA
>>automation, and I use that thing a lot...now I must run two
>>computers...one with 95 or 98 and the other with win2k...this sucks

Bad notices from Makie. For sell no problems, but for client care,
all is a problem.
The SF act, is a bad omen, a bad future for this company if remain
with this wrong politic.
Bye

To be clear I fully support Sonic Foundry, I don't post here often
because the NG is difficult to navigate, but I do notice however that
the signal to noise ratio is pretty high. Reading between the lines
in Mr. Ramallos earlier posts gave me the impression that he is a
person that has had an ongoing issue with this NG and has changed his
username several times. People like this never go offline.
Furthermore acrimonious discussion that go offline often come back
online with even more venom. So my objective is to try to understand
where he is coming from even though I am an ardent supporter of SF.

Regarding CD Architect I don't think SF will leave existing customers
in the lurch. Let's see what they have mind.

-david abraham

George Marrero wrote:
>>Gentlemen: Do you think you can take your discussion offline? To do
>>so, click on the author's name and you get the e-mail. As it's been
>>pointed out before, this forum deals with the use of Vegas, not
>>company shortcomings.
>>
>>I actually do agree with Mr. Ramallo, but what does he think he'll
>>accomplish other than annoying fellow users? We can't do jack-crap
>>about it and basically, if you don't like it, don't use it; I don't
>>have a problem with SF and if I ever do....there's always another
>>choice.....
>>
>>FYI:
>>solidarity (sòl´î-dàr´î-tê) noun
>>A union of interests, purposes, or sympathies among members of a
>>group; fellowship of responsibilities and interests.
>>
>>Excerpted from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English
>>Language, Third Edition © 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
>>Electronic version licensed from INSO Corporation; further
>>reproduction and distribution in accordance with the Copyright Law
of
>>the United States. All rights reserved.
>>
>>Now may we move on?
>>
>>David Abraham Fenton wrote:
>>>>"SOLIDARITY"
>>>>
>>>>I'm not sure what you mean?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Jesus Ramallo wrote:
>>>>>>You know the word "SOLIDARITY"
>>>>>>Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>>David Abraham Fenton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>My advice for you:
>>>>>>>>>>1. Buy a goldfish bowl.
>>>>>>>>>>2. Put you head in the goldfish bowl.
>>>>>>>>>>3. Go with the goldfish bowl to the mental hospital
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>LOL. Gosh I hate it when NG monsters make me laugh, stop it!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>-david abraham
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>

>>No new product. If SF make a new product, no problem, I update my CD
Architect, but anything, only a discontinued product. Hundreds of
dollars to the litter
I think I see the challenge here. It maybe difficult to maintain the
profitability of a product like CD Architect if you have to hire
resources to keep creating free updates for a product with declining
revenue. It's very "un windows' to be supporting hardware directly.
What's needed is some kind of abstracted api in Windows that CD
burner apps can support, then as new hardware comes out they also
support this api then everyone is happy. This may or may not be
possible, but I did see the text for an adaptec cd burner plugin fly
by when I installed Windows Media Player 7. So who knows.

Vegas/Vegas Video are completely different. They will work forever
as long as HW companies continue to provide MME/WDM drivers for their
hardware. If you're into video, VV is stunning, I'd like to see SF
step up their marketing efforts in this area.

-david abraham

Jesus Ramallo wrote:
>>Hi Aaron
>>
>>>>What are we supposed to use instead of CD architecht? that is the
>>>>BEST CD burning app out there...does SF have a new product?
>>
>>No new product. If SF make a new product, no problem, I update my
CD
>>Architect, but anything, only a discontinued product. Hundreds of
>>dollars to the litter, and I need remain forever with my old CD
>>Recorder, I hope that CDR machine don't stop of work (When the CDR
>>burner fail, the CD Architect to the garbage). CD Architect was the
>>better burning app.
>>
>>>>I too am bummed, Mackie stopped supporting their ultramix VCA
>>>>automation, and I use that thing a lot...now I must run two
>>>>computers...one with 95 or 98 and the other with win2k...this
sucks
>>
>>Bad notices from Makie. For sell no problems, but for client care,
>>all is a problem.
>>The SF act, is a bad omen, a bad future for this company if remain
>>with this wrong politic.
>>Bye

>>>>What are we supposed to use instead of CD architecht? that is the
>>Bad notices from Makie. For sell no problems, but for client care,
>>all is a problem.
>>The SF act, is a bad omen, a bad future for this company if remain
>>with this wrong politic.
>>Bye

Seems to be the way that software companies work, sadly

But I hold on to hope that sonic foundry is a Pro Audio company that
makes software

as opposed to a software company that makes audio applications

Hello

>>David Abraham Fenton wrote:
>>To be clear I fully support Sonic Foundry, I don't post here often
>>because the NG is difficult to navigate, but I do notice however
that
>>the signal to noise ratio is pretty high.

This is your problem, get ADSL or Cable.

>>Reading between the lines
>>in Mr. Ramallos earlier posts gave me the impression that he is a
>>person that has had an ongoing issue with this NG and has changed
his
>>username several times. People like this never go offline.
>>Furthermore acrimonious discussion that go offline often come back
>>online with even more venom.

You are in a big mistake, I need a explanation and a excuse from you,
I wrote with my user name every times, you will check. You are a
insidious (I read only between lines of your posts).

>>So my objective is to try to understand
>>where he is coming from even though I am an ardent supporter of SF.
>>
>>Regarding CD Architect I don't think SF will leave existing
customers
>>in the lurch. Let's see what they have mind.
>>
>>-david abraham

This is your opinion, and your problem.

A question:

You work in SonicFoundry and chage your username several times?

Regards

Hi Aaron

>>Seems to be the way that software companies work, sadly
>>
>>But I hold on to hope that sonic foundry is a Pro Audio company
that
>>makes software
>>
>>as opposed to a software company that makes audio applications
>>

A question: Sonic Foundry is a Audio Pro company or was a Audio Pro
company?

-Viscosity is a audio aplication?
-Vegas Video?
-Why SF dont update the SoundForge? maybe, goes to the discontinued
soft world?.

Regards

Hi
If the price of CD Architect was 30 us dollars, ok, but the street
price of CD Architect was 300 $ or more, why?. SF have the obligation
of make new updates (Or a universal api, or publish the metod of make
drivers for CD Architect), the CD Architect owners pay a lot of money
for a CD Burner aplication, and need updates for the new hardware.

>>I think I see the challenge here. It maybe difficult to maintain
the
>>profitability of a product like CD Architect if you have to hire
>>resources to keep creating free updates for a product with
declining
>>revenue. It's very "un windows' to be supporting hardware
directly.
>>What's needed is some kind of abstracted api in Windows that CD
>>burner apps can support, then as new hardware comes out they also
>>support this api then everyone is happy. This may or may not be
>>possible, but I did see the text for an adaptec cd burner plugin
fly
>>by when I installed Windows Media Player 7. So who knows.

This is a personal opinion of David:

>>
>>Vegas/Vegas Video are completely different. They will work forever
>>as long as HW companies continue to provide MME/WDM drivers for
their
>>hardware. If you're into video, VV is stunning, I'd like to see SF
>>step up their marketing efforts in this area.
>>
>>-david abraham

In your opinion?, remain the users without support is a marketing
effort?, a question again:
You work in SF?
Bye

P.D. Be carefull, SF will be discontinued the Vegas.

Jesus:

I use a cable modem. I think the forum software itself needs work

>>You are in a big mistake, I need a explanation and a excuse from
you, wrote with my user name every times, you will check. You are a
insidious (I read only between lines of your posts)." You got it... my apologies. I misread your first post. I've never
been called insidious before - thanks for the reality check.

>>You work in SonicFoundry and chage your username several times?
no. I don't work for Sonic Foundry and never have. I'm primarily
and technical consultant focusing on e-commerce/web technology, and I
do a fair amount of demo production in Southern NJ. However I do
support and admire Sonic Foundry.


>>This is your opinion, and your problem.
Yes, that's correct. We all have opinions and problems, just
different ways of dealing with them.

Hi David

>>You got it... my apologies. I misread your first post. I've never
>>been called insidious before - thanks for the reality check.
>>

Always must a first time.

>>no. I don't work for Sonic Foundry and never have. I'm primarily
>>and technical consultant focusing on e-commerce/web technology, and
I
>>do a fair amount of demo production in Southern NJ. However I do
>>support and admire Sonic Foundry.

I'm a Sound Engineer with over 15 years of experience, and you will
check my real name at AES for example (member 51372), and you will
probe my identity.

I'm really support SF at the moment, check my software list from SF in
3197 (I'm a registered user of all, ask to SF), if you consider that
this not is a real support, I need a explanation from you about the
word "support".

SF don't understand that this politic is a bad way for your bussines,
foment the piracy, anything pull down a lot of dollars to the litter
(Like anything buy a program without support, almost a CD Burner
program), is better and cheap optain the last radius release, and no
problems with the discontinuity of soft.

I probe that SF goes to a bad way, if you don't want understand, is
your problem. But don't cry if the problem in a near future is yours.

>>Yes, that's correct. We all have opinions and problems, just
>>different ways of dealing with them.

Ok

Bye

ok bye

>>A question: Sonic Foundry is a Audio Pro company or was a Audio Pro
>>company?
>>
>>-Viscosity is a audio aplication?
>>-Vegas Video?
>>-Why SF dont update the SoundForge? maybe, goes to the discontinued
>>soft world?.
>>
>>Regards

Seems like many things of soundforge can now be done in vegas, but
not all

and siren is nowhere close to CD architecht so I hope they come out
with something

Whether of not they replace the product, CD Architect is
basically "bug free". The only kind of drive support they need is to
adhere to the MMC compatible standard. I can see how paying a couple
of guys to keep adding drve support to a product which is
basically "done" and only targets a niche audience (pro sound people
who require DOA authoring, like me) is costly. So, as long as you get
a scsi or atapi MMC compatible drive, CD architect is still all you
need in its current state. Maybe they'll add some kind of "do it
yourself" drive support?

Aaron Carey wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>A question: Sonic Foundry is a Audio Pro company or was a Audio
Pro
>>>>company?
>>>>
>>>>-Viscosity is a audio aplication?
>>>>-Vegas Video?
>>>>-Why SF dont update the SoundForge? maybe, goes to the
discontinued
>>>>soft world?.
>>>>
>>>>Regards
>>
>>Seems like many things of soundforge can now be done in vegas, but
>>not all
>>
>>and siren is nowhere close to CD architecht so I hope they come out
>>with something
>>

Hello.

We have a CD Architect forum for our CD Architect software messages.
Please post related messages to that forum, instead of this one.

Due to the nature of our forums, finding pertinent information
related to our products can becomes a bit complicated when there are
off-topic messages.

After looking some of these messages, we have about 20
completely off the topic of Vegas posts, and that is not appropriate
for this forum.

We provide these forums as a service to our customers for peer to
peer communication, however there are simple guidelines that we would
prefer for our forum messages to follow (for obvious reasons) and
this is one of them.

We are sorry that you are unhappy with our recent decision, and if
you feel that you would like to communicate this with us, please send
an email to customerservice@sonicfoundry.com if you have any
questions.

Thank you for your cooperation.



Jesus Ramallo wrote:
>>The censor (like the NAZIS) delete my old advice, I post
>>this shame of SF again, and again.....(Olny need
>>copy+paste), and I will change my user name forever (When
>>SF filter my mensages, If SF don't want delete my advices,
>>post a official explanation of the trouble by SF)
>>
>>SonicFoundry yours clients need a good explanation about
>>your new politic of unsupport your programs.
>>------------------------------------------------
>>
>>This is the request to a question to Sonicfoundy technical
>>support.
>>
>>>Unfortunately CD Architect has been discontinued, so there
>>>will be no more drive updates.
>>
>>A new email received today from SF:
>>
>>>Yes unfortunately we have discontinued CD Architect but we
>>>still offer support if you own it. If not keep on the look
>>>out for a new program that may be released before
>>>Christmas of this year. If you have any further questions
>>>please feel free to contact any of our Customer Service
>>>Representatives weekdays from 7:00am to 10:00pm CST at 1-
>>>800-57SONIC or reply directly to this email.
>>
>>I believe that SF is thinking in discontinued the
>>SoundForge also, and sold us a new program (based on the
>>mix of SounForge and CD Architect plus 24 bits) without the
>>posibility of a upgrade from SoundForge or CD Architect.
>>
>>I'm in a mistake?
>>
>>Any conclusion?
>>
>>Be carefull with Sonicfoundry, think before buy any product
>>of Sonicfoundry, the company not anounce the discontinued
>>of a program that cost hundreds of dollars, and unsuported
>>all customers, and delete your shame.
>>
>>Regards