The real Game Changer

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[r]Evolution wrote on 5/30/2012, 11:39 AM
Yes, but you also have to deal with footage / files from the CGI, VFX and compositing teams.
We do this with NAS. They simply drop their Rendered files into the specified folder and I import them. If they update the file/footage and re-save, it updates on my timeline. (with Premiere, Vegas, FCP) Seems like we had to have Avid Unity some years ago when I was in an Avid shop to accomplish this.

You also have editors and sub editors all working on the one project at once.
We also do this to some extent. Different editors may be editing different scenes. These scenes would be put together once complete. We sometimes Render them or Nest the Sequences. Any update shows up immediately on the timeline.

Maybe the strength is in our actual production. We tend to shoot/capture about 3:1 so most of what gets shot, gets used. We don't have tons of footage or meta data to deal with.

I'm definitely not arguing that Lightworks does not have its place in someone's arsenal. Just NOT mine.
Lightworks Make Me Game No Change.
Rainer wrote on 5/30/2012, 7:39 PM
Lightworks was probably equally the most eagerly awaited and, for most of those who signed up, the most disappointing NLE event of 2011. I just don't think Lightwave developers and those still using it realize how far editing systems have advanced since the 1990's.
royfphoto wrote on 5/31/2012, 11:06 AM
Thank you for recognizing me as an idiot. I didn't start the name " game changer" but was replying to an earlier post. I have had an account here for since 1997and did not set up an account to post this.
What I was implying with the "game changer" comment was that here is a NLE with a lot of good stuff for free.
As to other stuff mentioned here: < timeline is an ugly jumble.> Time line can be configured however you want it (and with wave forms).
I use Vegas for Broadcast, I like it. But every time I hit render I have to pray I won't see black frames (yes I have the latest one) or green stripes or the thing won't just freeze, it is those times I start looking at other NLE's and a free one that doesn't crash and auto backsup every keystroke looks really good. It is clunky and not graphical with a steep learning curve but it has a good side...a very precise way to edit
MUTTLEY wrote on 5/31/2012, 12:15 PM

You're welcome =)

- Ray
Underground Planet
Laurence wrote on 5/31/2012, 12:29 PM
I find it akward and crash-prone. If I'm going to crash, I would rather do it with software that I love.
Suvin111 wrote on 6/5/2012, 1:17 PM
Does anybody know of any feature films that have been edited on Sony Vegas?
Chienworks wrote on 6/5/2012, 2:13 PM
Not off the top of my head, but i did read in an interview with the sound designer for several of the Star Trek NG films that he used Vegas on his laptop for testing out music mixes, sound effects, and sweetening in real-time on the set, and then used the results of that to make preliminary mixes for the finished film.
farss wrote on 6/5/2012, 3:49 PM
"Does anybody know of any feature films that have been edited on Sony Vegas? "

Ones that have had theatrical release:
Paranormal Activity. The movie with the highest profit based on ROI ever made.

Indie productions:
Deuce of Spades, certainly worth a watch.


Bob.
paul_w wrote on 6/5/2012, 4:54 PM
"Does anybody know of any feature films that have been edited on Sony Vegas?"

taken from the Sony Vegas Wikki page:


List of films edited in Sony Vegas

Paranormal Activity (2007) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1179904/
Sasquatch Hunters (2005) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0339531/
Bendeyar (2011) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2069723/
Small Change (2010)(www.dogbytefilms.net) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1785563/
Zombies During Third Period: Again http://www.zombies2movie.com/movie.html
By the Light (under production) http://vimeo.com/19857410
OceanWorld 3D (2009) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1249415/
Picture Me (2009) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1459052/
Deuce of Spades (2010) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1384586/
Sleep Disorder (Pendulum Pictures)
Return of the Curse (Pendulum Pictures)
Bigfoot (film)
The Making of a Documentary
The Basement (indieflix.com)

List of TV shows edited in Sony Vegas

Survivor Man by Les Stroud http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0770659/
Painting & Travel with Roger & Sarah http://www.paintingandtravel.com/
Ocean Wonderland 3D(2003)
Sharks 3D(2005)
Dolphins and Whales 3D(2008)
Air Shows by Mike Goulian http://mikegoulian.com/
Nightline
A Man's World http://amansworldtv.com/
WoodMarvels.com 3D Animations & Live Videos http://WoodMarvels.com/


Paul.
JimboWHO wrote on 7/19/2012, 10:29 AM
ROYFEL ~

Not to be too simplistic but if it's good enough for Thelma and other big names there is likely something there. Especially for the price!

I'm always struck by the Vegas users who find other NLE's lacking by comparison because certain tasks seem to be more clunky or time-consuming. I'm pretty sure that such people are missing the keyboard shortcuts (or other steps) that are intended to make quick work of such steps.

As for what MUTT said about you above, this was standard fare ( in this forum) when I was around more often before I switched to a competitor. Their forum wouldn't put up with such a post. And after you dismantled his baseless, attack directed at you he wasn't even man enough to apologize to you.

I do miss the thoughtful, helpful posts of people like Farss but apart from him and others there are too many 'Vegas Rottweilers.'


JJM
JackW wrote on 7/19/2012, 1:31 PM
Interesting to see why Thelma Schoonmaker likes Lightworks . Seems to have more to do with the flatbed film editing legacy than with NLE editing systems.

Jack
MUTTLEY wrote on 7/19/2012, 2:25 PM
Apologize? For what exactly?

First off I didn't "recognizing (you) as an idiot" royfel, I said that it was an idiotic statement, referring to the title of this thread and the proclamation that this is any kind of game changer. A difference with distinction and one which I stand by.

Second, if JimboWHO is referring to my wrongful assumption that royfel was a first time poster I don't think I can be blamed for that when it WAS his first, and ONLY post under that user name:

Profile for: royfel

Profile for: royfphoto

So I ask again, apologize for what? For having an opinion? For disagreeing? For mistakenly thinking he was a first time poster even though in this case it appeared he was? Not sure what was dismantled, only clarified.

I've been around these forums for awhile now and I do not believe at any point in this thread have I said anything that once upon a time Sony "wouldn't put up with." Seems to me the only real personal attacks going on here are yours leveled at me. Not that I'm bothered mind you, I actually found your post rather humorous =)

- Ray
Underground Planet
JimboWHO wrote on 7/19/2012, 3:01 PM
Right - you can characterize others' opinions as "idiotic" so long as you don't actually call them an idiot. You can do this, happy with the distinction you think you've made in your mind.

Look, others have called you out on your need to belittle people but you'll continue to do so so long as you can justify it in your nuanced ways. Just as you've done here. It's such a bore.

You've also been ID'd as someone that reacts like a Pavlov's dog - "criticize my Vegas and you'll hear from me!"

This forum is full of threads with many instances of the above. Also, you misunderstand my point about what's tolerated in a forum like this. The mods of the OTHER forum that I am a member of would never tolerate your nonsense.

As for my original post, in no way did I engage in a personal attack on you although I'm not surprised you don't know the difference.

Your approach leaves a lot to be desired; you can't build yourself up by tearing other people down.


JJM
malowz wrote on 7/19/2012, 3:27 PM
wow... ive never seen so unintuitive app... but not sure if i'm a "real editor" ...
JimboWHO wrote on 7/19/2012, 3:43 PM
Right, a little 'opposition research' to uncover that I've switched to Media Composer and a thinly veiled shot to boot.

Unreal.


JJM
MUTTLEY wrote on 7/19/2012, 4:56 PM

JimboWHO, you are a silly silly man but I do so appreciate the attention you're giving me. It's a slow day so thank you for livening it up a little. Though you never did answer the question regarding your statement "he wasn't even man enough to apologize to you."

Now I'll be the first to admit that there have been a number of heated debates over the years but I'd beg to differ that I simply go around belittling people. Personally I think your statement is a bit of an overreach but if that's your opinion, fair enough. In most of those "flame war" type threads mud's been slung in every direction and I've gotten as much grief as have given. I don't mind that for whatever reason you want to single me out but it's always a two way street. Now I could cherry pick some of your comments in other threads that were, to me, rather incendiary and peppered with belittling statements but seriously, whatever. You were compelled to post on this dying thread just to call me out, congrats, you win.

"You've also been ID'd as someone that reacts like a Pavlov's dog - "criticize my Vegas and you'll hear from me!"

By whom? Is there a secret committee I'm unaware of? Is my name on some kind of list? If so, this is the first I've heard. My response would be the same as I've said over and over again:

"I have always been candid about the problems that I have had. This will be probably the 100th time I've said this but I feel the need to say it again, I have no issue at all with people reporting or talking about problems that they may encounter, it's in my best interest as a dedicated user for problems & bugs to be discussed."

That said its obvious you rehashed this thread either out of spite or on a lark just to goad me into a debate. Whatever your intent thanks for the entertainment and hope you're having a great day!

- Ray
Underground Planet






Geoff_Wood wrote on 7/19/2012, 5:32 PM
For how many years has it been 'changing the game' ? Game should be well-changed by now ....

geoff