This is costing me time..

spolley777 wrote on 9/25/2007, 8:13 PM
My time like yours i am sure is precious. Sony has produced v7 and v8 that seems to be full of bugs and does not play well with HDV. I am a little frustrated and have spent numerous hours trying to get hdv on the timeline without the program crashing. I upgraded my computer to Quad core and 2 gig of fast ram, 2 -500 gig raided together. When is sony going to get it right. I am ready to go back to editing SD until they resolve these issues all of us have posted.

A project that should edit out in a couple of days, has taken weeks to get it edited in HDV..

sorry needed to vent...

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Spot|DSE wrote on 9/25/2007, 8:35 PM
16 computers online at any given moment. All editing HDV, XDCAM, HDCAM, DV.
Very few problems since the release.
Specifically, what are the bugs you're experiencing? Clearly there aren't that many issues, or we'd be reading more about them in the fora across the web. Could it be your system isn't up to snuff? Maybe running odd drivers, antivirus, or other related issues?
Serena wrote on 9/25/2007, 9:58 PM
My own experience is favourable, having been editing HDV since it came to be (Vegas 6,7,8). Can you be more specific in describing your troubles?
Xander wrote on 9/26/2007, 5:26 AM
Been editing HDV since Vegas 6.

Vegas 7e is very stable for me - don't experience any issues anymore. Reverted to using HDV Split for capture though as Vegas seems to tag on the extra frames at the end of each clip - very annoying, especially if you want a clip to loop.

Vegas 8 is stable in 8bit mode, but always crashes on render in 32bit mode - crashes on 3 different operating systems (Win XP SP2, Win XP SP2 x64 and Vista64) and two different hardware setups (Pentium 840 D 3.2GHz, 4GB RAM, 2TB HDD and Athlon M 2GHz, 1GB RAM 80GB HDD). Always have the latest drivers and patches. All other software is stable on the platforms.
goshep wrote on 9/26/2007, 5:44 AM
I've yet to upgrade to 8 but did recently upgrade to a quad core. I've had a host of problems on SEVERAL applications and have yet to resolve it. Stress test your new system with a known quantity or you'll be banging your head against the wall for an unnecessarily long time. This is why I've held off on the upgrade. No sense in complicating the troubleshooting with another variable. Not to mention the possibility of framing an innocent piece of software for a crime it isn't committing.

I know your frustration, I'm feeling it too. However, unless you are sure the system was stable to begin with, you're going to have to go back to square one.
blink3times wrote on 9/26/2007, 6:14 AM
I have found (for me anyway) that the crashing started with 7e and got passed on to 8. I have since gone back to 7d which seems to be pretty solid for HD. I sent Sony some crashing samples and they claimed to have found the problems and will issue a fix on the next version 8 patch.

At any rate, with 7e and 8 it's crash, crash, crash... but 7d is solid.
blink3times wrote on 9/26/2007, 6:16 AM
16 computers online at any given moment. All editing HDV, XDCAM, HDCAM, DV.

Spot... if you read back over the forums, you will see a pretty drastic increase in crash complaints with HDV since version 7e.
riredale wrote on 9/26/2007, 9:45 AM
7d here, happy as a clam. Using HDVSplit.77b for capture.

Only issue is the occasional "BFD" (Black Frames of Death).

Two ways to stress the hell out of your new system:

(1) Download the free "Memtest" which runs in DOS and really works your memory over.

(2) Download "Stress Prime 2004" which is a variation on the Prime95 program. It has a very clean user interface and will work your processors as hard as possible.

If both of the above programs can run for hours without failures, you have a rock-solid system.
bsuratt wrote on 9/26/2007, 10:10 AM
Maybe I'm too picky but I agree that Vegas is not ready for top quality HDV editing. The SmartRender does not work properly with long GOP! And this may actually be a MainConcept problem.

Yes, I can render the whole thing and will get less-than-stellar Hi Def output. On a 720p native TV you won't see much difference; but on a top of the line 1080 TV it is like night and day! The encoders offered in this level of editor are just not capable of excellent output at 1080.

But, then, Womble SmartRender does it. I believe they use the Ligos encoder.
Spot|DSE wrote on 9/26/2007, 10:44 AM
Blink, I receive a notice of just about every post on just about every forum related to Vegas in the USA, excepting this one. They're cataloged and used to track issues when they're bug issues.
I'm pretty well up to date on what problems are reported.
Are you editing HDV? Having problems? What specific hardware are you using?
In many of the cases, it can be tracked down to a few factors such as render threads, antivirus, and a few other commonalities.
blink3times wrote on 9/26/2007, 11:11 AM
Spot.

Yes... HDV. I have Q6600 4mb ram Ati 1950 vid card. The crashes occur in BOTH xp and Vista ult64.

Sent crash nsamples into Sony... got this back from them:

"Thanks for uploading the footage. The problem is now fixed and will be released in the next Vegas 8 update. Please don't ask me for a date- I can't share it but it will be "very soon"."


See this thread here:
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=548058
CorTed wrote on 9/26/2007, 11:34 AM
Blink I agree. I have spend many posts on Vegas crashing.
I'm just wondering what Sony means by "very soon".

I can't wait to see if it fixes my crash issues. If they got a fix, let's share it....

Ted
Spot|DSE wrote on 9/26/2007, 12:01 PM
Yup, I'm aware of crashing in some very specific circumstances, I'm asking what your circumstances are. Thanks for the info regarding part of your system. I don't at all pay attention to crashes in Vista 64, it's not Sony-supported.
CorTed wrote on 9/26/2007, 12:14 PM
"Thanks for uploading the footage. The problem is now fixed and will be released in the next Vegas 8 update. Please don't ask me for a date- I can't share it but it will be "very soon"."

It is obvious that there is a problem within Vegas 8. The line above clearly states that "the problem is now fixed".
there are many posts of people who are experiencing crash issues which could possibly benefit from this fix.
Why have they not posted a new version with this fix, so possibly those "few" can also go back to do some editing.
I am tired of posting my circumstances, as I have done so on multiple occasions. I am also tired of Vegas crashing to desktop. I am also tired of waiting for responses from Sony email support .
I paid top dollar for this package, and have not been able to edit a single project.

I'm sorry for raging on, just a bit frustrated, Don't worry I'll get over it...


Ted
blink3times wrote on 9/26/2007, 12:46 PM
"I'm asking what your circumstances are.

First, I recognize that Vista 64 is not supported... but as I said, the exact same crashes occur in xp as well (I have dual boot xp/vista)

My situation APPEARS to be scene splits with HDV. Two separate problems: A) the scene splitting is taking place consistently about 3 frames late with both my HV20 and my HC3. This is happening with a few other people (Jrazz i believe for one) This is true for vegas capture in both 7 and 8. Scene capture however works fine with HDVsplit. and is solid in 7d but again crashing in 7e and 8

B) Vegas 7e and 8 are rejecting (crashing the program) on about 30% of the scene splits in BOTH hdvSplit and vegas capture. If i take this smae split footage into 7d, there are no problems at all.... even with the late scene splitting, and it does not happen with the same footage that has NOT been scene split. In other words if I capture an hour of footage with no splits, throw it on the timeline, and manually cut.... everything is fine. So it's quite obvious to me that they have changed SOMETHING on the 7e version and passed it onto 8. ( I believe the 7e version is where the AVCHD edit happened along too... maybe it has something to do with that)

At anyrate, i sent some sample footage into Sony (including the late scene splits) and they claim that the problem has been identified and will be cleared on the next patch.
blink3times wrote on 9/26/2007, 12:52 PM
Maybe I'm too picky but I agree that Vegas is not ready for top quality HDV editing. The SmartRender does not work properly with long GOP! And this may actually be a MainConcept problem.

And yes... i noticed that too!! Seems to be some artifacts and jumping in certain areas... it does not happen when SR is disabled
dand9959 wrote on 9/26/2007, 2:23 PM
If you are seeing a specific crash happen often (30% of the time is often!), then a little effort and experimentation ought to be able to narrow the cause down to a reproducible set of actions.

If you can specify the steps to take to reproduce a crash, this will be of immense help to the SMS developers.

See this thread for an example:
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=548086