I mean missed the boat - it left port, travelled for six hours, and then docked elsewhere. Nero could manage it, CyberLink out-witted Sony.... perhaps shame will drive Sony to do something quickly (i.e. within a 12 month timespan). Clearly Sony is not talking to Sony let alone the rest of mankind! You get to be big, then you forget how to communicate!!

Just bought the Sony dual layer external the other day, go to burn my project in DVD Architect 2 and my drive isn't recognised. To add insult to injury, the drive ends up corrupted with all sorts of errors under the device status window until I restart the computer. Awesome... money well spent.

I sincerely hope there will be a release of some sort to rectify this issue. You'd think Sony hardware working seamlessly with Sony software would be a no-brainer.

I've posted this new topic because it's been known, and it's been discussed around here that DVDA does not support dual layer "DL". They'll start to sell DL media anytime soon (at least where I live) despite the fact LG DVD DL recorders "are" already available (difference from the single layer drives = + 30 US$) and can burn single layer media.There will only be available DVD + R DL (no minus) media.
Other software that supports DL media nowadays are the following: DVD Maestro and Scenarist. You can try one of them if you have the $$$$$$$ or you can keep burning single layer media (I'm sure your new drive supports them as LG's) untill we get a new version of DVDA.
;)

Download the recently released upgrade/patch and it will recgonize your drive. Believe me, I have a 700a also!

"Other software that supports DL media nowadays are the following: DVD Maestro and Scenarist."

Both of those apps support DL type disc creation, but I know that Maestro doesn't support burning to a DL drive (the program was sun-downed). Scenarist might, but I haven't seen where it will currently (as direct output to the drives), although Sonic is dedicated to supporting the option in the future with it (and Producer and DVDit 5).

There are no (-) drives on the market, and I haven't heard a hard fast date for when they will arrive. You can order the DL (+) media from Superstore media, but they 'ain't' cheap.

Jim

I've got the latest patch... I wouldn't be annoyed if I could use it with DVD Architect 2 at all, except that the program can't find it. Even worse it ends up corrupting the burner drivers, forcing me to switch the burner off and restart my computer until all is normal.

I can't figure it out!

JSWTS...
Thanks for correcting my remark on DVD Maestro...In fact, Maestro is just for authoring. That means it does not burn anything, but it can author a DL DVD, what certainly DVDA cannot.
;)

Since this is a new burner, have you used it with any other programs without problems? Just seems very strange that one particular application could be "corrupting" the burner's settings so that you have to reboot. Usually when you start having issues at the System level, there's something wrong with the device itself or how it was installed.

Rob

Hmm, well, I had no problems with the Nero software (I have used both the burning and DVD authoring software) that came with the burner.

I tried looking for new drivers at the Sony website (US and Australia, where I'm from) but they don't seem to have any support for it yet whatsoever... none that I can find anyway.

Hi was just curious as to whether or not it would be possible to author bigger than a single layer and then burn using nero? or doesn' t it work like that?

Singular lack of anything official here from Sony - I suppose they are acutely embarrassed at having a DL burner out for two months, but software that doesn't support it, nor will the next release, and they can't suggest a date when it will be. Sad.

Can't DVDA2 be used to create a VOB file up to, say, 8GB and then use another utility to do the physical burn?

I believe the layer change has a geometry requirement that insists on one layer or the other being larger. Also I believe the layer change is mentioned in the IFO, by block/sector/GOP position.

The theory that an 8GB or 20/25/30GB could make the next gen shiny disc is otherwise quite a sound supposition. There is a risk of having to recompress in the dual-layer capable app (be it an authoring tool or a burner app).

The competition appear to have broken the DL ground. Dual layer is something like 40% compatible with those players that were lucky enough to play the +4 media in the first place (e.g. Sony, Philips, RCA/Thomson, Grundig, Matsushita and friends (Panasonic/Ricoh/JVC/...). Two single layer discs are generally the better bet (unless the project can sink the cost of giving away a compatible player).

Yes, this +DL stuff should work, but it isn't the end of the road for DVDA2 IMHO. As said, the new drives should be recognised for single layer use initially. It is frustrating to be popping in and out of Nero, although it is my preference as I test and test and sometimes use DVDShrink (I'm a V4+DVDA1 kind of chap still).

bowman01
I don't have any DL media yet, but I have reason to believe it works just like your question states.

I have a few larger than SL VIDEO_TS directories.
If I create a Nero project with one of these directories, Nero requests that a DL disc be inserted when I initiate a 'burn' (if I'm using a DL drive)

I use Nero to burn non-rewriteable (final copy) SL discs authored by DVDA, so there is not even a significant workflow change for me.

I won't be trying it until the cost of admission is < $4-5 disc, but indicators of this test, and from what I have read on Videohelp.com, yes it should work.

Chris

Any news Sony on dual layer burning - another month passes. If Ulead can do it - why not Sony? Silence is not golden here - the lack of anything from Sony is a total disaster - sorry I'm dumping Vegas DVDA and moving to Pinnacle Liquid Edition.

>>...I'm dumping Vegas DVDA and moving to Pinnacle Liquid Edition...

Some already went to Adobe Encore...Personally, I would avoid all things Pinnacle.

“Silence is not golden here - the lack of anything from Sony is a total disaster”

Sony's slience regarding this issue just shows that they know it is serious. They can't afford to to bounce back and forth with yes or no or this month or next year. All we and Sony can hope for is that they come up with a solution before we re-learn different programs. I can say for SURE that if I learn Adobe I am not coming back. I always wanted to learn Encore but the learning curve and layout held me back.

I did have a chance to chat with on of the Sony folks at the WEVA expo (Leigh, the product manager for Vegas/DVDA - I hope I spelled his name right and got the job title correct), and he said dual layer support would be added to DVDA - I didn't ask about timelines.

--Scott

sorry I'm dumping Vegas DVDA and moving to Pinnacle Liquid Edition.

Have a great time with LE.
I found it completely counterintuitive.
I purchased it last December, by the end of the month, I was convinced it was total garbage, sold it, and came to Vegas.

I Could not be happier, the day LE left my home was a HAPPY day.
(The reason being: I found it necessary to read the manual to do everything(it is a BIG manual) - I was comparing it to a Vegas trial I was using.
I was not using a vegas manual, and could do anything in Vegas which I had to spend hours studying about in LE.)
When I did determine how to do it, it made little sense to me why I had to jump through so many hoops.
For instance doing a pan/scan/zoom/crop with LE takes about 3 times as many mouse clicks as it does with Vegas.
-want to rotate, click the rotate icon first, want to zoom, click the zoom icon first - how they chose to implement tools looks pretty lame when compared to Vegas...

There are Liquid Edition users who have reported that they are using the authoring of Studio, many use DVDLAB, many others using a variety of options - gotta love PCM audio if you are going to use Pinnacle!
Also, don't think you are going to do any sub-titles, alternate audio tracks, end items, or anything very sophisticated - Pinnacle authoring is easy, but LOW END. Pinnacle authoring is often accepted, but not loved by LE users.

But to each his own, there are many who enjoy using LE.

Pinnacle has officially stated that they will support Double Layer, but to my knowledge, they have not done it yet.
Not only that, as of last report, you could not create anything bigger than 4.3GB with LE.
From a Pinnacle rep, on their site - last post in the thread:
To date, no, LE will not produce an image bigger than 4.3 GB. We've seen this in practice as well.
From another LE thread, posted this week, by Pinnacle:
... No DL burners are covered by the patch at this time, at least not that I'm aware of. And yes, eventually the issue will be resolved. It is being addressed.

At least I can create DOUBLE LAYER SIZE projects with DVDA, and burn them with Nero...Today
That is not possible in any way with Pinnacle - it seems strange to go from a product that you can get what you want (today, using third party burning app) to one that is only promising that you will be able to...

I agree that the official line from Pinnacle being that they will do it, is better than the 'unofficial' information we get here.

I rarely burn with DVDA anyway - Preparing with DVDA, and burning with Nero is my workflow, so if DVDA 'officially' supports Double layer is of little consequence to me, I already have it.

Best of luck
[edit]
Everything I said about Pinnacle was true, when written.
Pinnacle has added some of these things with LE 6, and Studio 9Plus.
Vaporware as of today - announced, not released.
Still fairly low-end authoring capabilities.

Thanks to all who took time to respond. It's really nice to hear that, "Express". I guess if the outcome is perfect when preparing with DVDA 2.0 and burning with Nero, then, what I can say? Cheers to DVDA!
;)

Just in case any of us have forgotten the Sonic Foundry connection here---remember that Sound Forge's 24-bit version was at least a year behind all other audio software. There's something to be said for playing it safe and not rushing a product release, but from a marketing standpoint, they seem to take it to dangerous levels.

>At least I can create DOUBLE LAYER SIZE projects with DVDA, and burn them with Nero...Today

Hello, Express... please tell me which Nero product you are using to burn DL DVDs. My problem is that, in the USA, the Sony DL (DRU710A) burner comes with Nero. But here in Canada, the exact same product comes with (gasp) MyDVD. I perfer to use DVDA to prepare the DVD, and use something (anything but MyDVD!) to do the burning.