torn, worn, speckled text

Tattoo wrote on 2/5/2005, 11:53 AM
Looking for a technique to replicate the common text effect (on TV) of text that has been "aged." You've seen it on numerous commercials and promos, where the letters have spots that are missing from them. The edges of the missing spots usuallly appear rough, like torn paper. It seems like the spots tend to be more towards the edge of the text letters versus randomly distributed, but maybe that's a perception thing. Also, there are generally extra particles outside the letters.

I've tried to duplicate it using the built-in Noise Texture (Media Generator) as a mask composite layer, but the particles are generally too small, too smooth, and too random (not favoring the edges of the text).

Is there a way to do this with just Vegas? A common plug-in? Or is that an actual font style? I tried searching the forum, but no luck.



Grazie wrote on 2/5/2005, 12:16 PM
. . er .. nice project . .

Think scanner .. Think burning and rubbing and generally messy with a sheet of paper . .think of masks and then think back about your scanner .. got it yet? Oh you could also use the Film efect and mess with the dust and speckles that are all over the place .. . think about adding Dodge and Burn . . got it yet? You will . .. Great Project . . rite up me alley!

Oh .. this has GOT to be very low definition too! Almost analogue .. . :)

Loads of options here . . .

Tattoo wrote on 2/5/2005, 1:55 PM
Tried the film effect, but I couldn't get the grain large enough and I'm looking for static grain/noise versus the variable grain that film effect gives. Maybe there's some way to overcome this.

Hmmm ... can't say I followed you on the "scanner" part of your reply. I'm guessing, though, that I could make a decent mask in Photoshop/Paint Shop Pro with textures or something.

Would be nice to have a method of doing the same thing completely internal to Vegas, though.
Zulqar-Cheema wrote on 2/5/2005, 1:59 PM
Have you tried looking for the appropriate font?
farss wrote on 2/5/2005, 2:42 PM
You can make it static by simply grabbing a still and using that.
To just affect the edges use an edge FX to create a mask so you can composite just the affected edge over the intact original.
What I think Grazie was saying is that perhpas the best way to do this is to do it for real. Attack a printed page and then scan it. I think from memory things like tincture of iodine or a few dops of copper sulphate solution and a LITTLE heat can make paper looked aged. You'd probably find arts suppliers who stock 'old' paper.
nickle wrote on 2/5/2005, 2:59 PM
Try the newsprint fx which will make it raggedy and then the chromakey to eliminate a bit more (use the sliders). That's if you want to do it all within Vegas.
Tattoo wrote on 2/5/2005, 3:30 PM
Oops, see, I knew I wasn't communicating well. By "aged" I simply meant that the text itself looked like it had been around the block and back, not the "paper" or background that it was on. As if the letters were painted on something, and chips of paint were missing. Kinda reminds me of the old ads painted on barn sides, which is probably why I used "aged."

I'm talking about where the text (usually a larger, thicker font) has fairly large particles (up to around 10% of the letter) missing from it. Some times there are extra particles just hanging around the text (not attached).

Hmm ... edge effect. I assume that's one of the million things in Vegas I haven't learned yet. Got a long way to go.

zcheema - I'd rather use an effect than a special font, because 1) it's free! and 2) it's more flexible in that I can use *any* font, and the particles will be in different locations on the same letter (i.e. won't be the same particle missing from the same location of every "o," or whatever). However, a special font was my first thought, too.
mjroddy wrote on 2/5/2005, 3:54 PM
At work (my 9-6), I have a few free font pages book marked. Here at home, I only seem to have one;
If you find other font sources, you'll likely find the one you're looking for. There are all kinds of "dirty" fonts out there. It's just a trick to find them sometimes.
farss wrote on 2/5/2005, 4:33 PM
If you want that kind of look the using a font is out as the same letter will look the same each time it's used and that's not how anything hand done looks.
Probably best done in PS, you could start off with a big chunky font, convert to bitmap and then use the various PS tool to scrape, airbrush etc bits of it away.
One other thing you could try in Vegas is displacement maps using a noise generator to create the displacement, the only problem there is that Vegas doesn't do lighting so again you're back to PS or even a 3D app.
Of course I don't know if you want it photo realistic or not.
One project I did a little while ago they wanted just that look for the DVD menu so they found an already well graffitied wall and added a bit and shot that.
nickle wrote on 2/5/2005, 5:04 PM

If you want some neat lighting effects try this

Sample text white on a black background.

Bump Map

intensity .166
ambience .077
shineness .311
bump height .666
z slider near bottom

Then apply the convolution Kernel with rotation plus or minus 250 and play with some of the other adjusters.

nickle wrote on 2/5/2005, 5:27 PM

Try this then

EDIT White sample text on black background

Film grain

amount 1.000
granularity .4 or play with it
chromacity .0


Threshold at .60 or so.

Looks like chips of text missing.
DGates wrote on 2/5/2005, 5:49 PM
Even if you have Photoshop Elements, you can type in any text, simplify it, use the eraser tool combined with a splatter-type brush setting and go around the edges to give it an aged look. Save it as a png file, and bring it into Vegas.

Here's a sample:
Spot|DSE wrote on 2/5/2005, 6:48 PM
Tattoo, there is a tutorial on how to achieve this on the VASST site.
I hope it helps.
Tattoo wrote on 2/5/2005, 6:57 PM
DGates- Very cool look, thanks for the demo. Even more aged than I was thinking of. Looks pretty easy to do, and I do have Elements. Your example wasn' t the exact look I'm thinking of, but I can get there from here. Still like to have it internal to Vegas, but that may not be possible.

nickle - Cool effect, surprisingly close to what I was looking for with the chunks missing. My preview is showing some horizontal lines on the "aged" but not missing parts, though. Very cool how you can achieve different looks by combining different "ingrediants." Unrelated, but cool effect of keyframing the Threshold starting at 1 and ending at 0, as your text appears to beam-in like the old Star Trek.

<Wow, I just did a Google search for Star Trek beam-in effect to see how they did that back in 1968. No luck, but I did find a long argument about whether a Star Wars jedi lightsaber could deflect a Star Trek phaser set on wide-beam. And I thought *I* had no life!>
Tattoo wrote on 2/5/2005, 7:23 PM
Spot on, as usual. "Ragged" text, yes. The tutorial showed the exact effect I wanted, just more extreme. Just had to figure out how to back it off a little.

nickle - you were right, too, just different parameters. For the effect I'm thinking of, I set the Film Grain granularity to 1, and the amount to around .7. Never hit on that combo when I was attempting your previous suggestion.

Bing-badda-boom! There ya go. Vegas forum knows all! And picked up several other great tips along the way ...
Thanks all.

vectorskink wrote on 2/6/2005, 6:37 PM