Toshiba 3D Z100 camcorder

mraroid wrote on 6/26/2013, 7:14 PM
Hi folks....

I was looking at this low cost 3D camcorder by Toshiba:

http://us.toshiba.com/video-electronics/camcorders/camileo-z100/

While it only has 5Mps per lens, it will produce 1080p, and it saves files in the MP4 file format. The other thing I like about it is that it has a microphone jack in it.

Has anyone here used this camera and been able to import the MP4 files into Vegas Pro 12 and burned a real 3D blu-ray DVD?

The camera is only $163 on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-Camileo-Z100-Digital-Camcorder/dp/B008481JSC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1372291982&sr=8-1&keywords=toshiba+z100

It would be nice to know I can build 3D blu-ray DVDs before I spend any money.

Thanks in advance.

jack

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VidMus wrote on 6/26/2013, 9:04 PM
"LensFixed f/2.8"

"Digital Zoom3D mode: 1x-4x , 2D mode: 1x-10x"

Will not be good in low light. Makes no mention of optical zoom.

Look elsewhere for a camera!
mraroid wrote on 6/28/2013, 2:26 PM
This about as low as it goes re 3D cameras.

The Fuji W3 is built *much better* and cost about the same. But it has no jack for a external microphone. I rarely zoom (mostly I shoot 16mm motion picture film - it is just not done) I would never use a digital zoom anyway.. I do not shoot in low light. I spent my money on good 3D software and I want a 3D camera I can experiment with in Vegas Pro 12 so I can get the workflow down.

When I sell my house in about a year, I will pick up a very good 3D camera. But for now, I need a cheap 3D camera that will let me burn 3D Blu-ray DVD in 1920 X 1080. I am trying to learn the software, and I do not care much about the camera - only that it will shoot 3D well enough for me to learn how to edit.

So none of your comments apply to me. But thank you anyway.

My question is, has anyone shot with this camera, and was able to import the video and audio into Vegas 12 and burn a real 3D Blu-ray DVD? And if so, did you have to add a 3rd party codec to do so?

Any help with the above two questions would be helpful.

Thanks in advance.

jack



videoITguy wrote on 6/28/2013, 2:49 PM
Forgive me, it could be word usage and language matters - but I have no idea where you are coming from. In one idea you present you need dirt cheap and in the next comment you present that you have considerable assets at hand (16 mm film and a house for sale?)

So I really have no clue who you are, what you are attempting to do, what you want 3D systems for? Very mysterious.

I HOPE you realize that there is 3D and then there is 3D!!! What echelon are you trying to fit?? There is no one size fits all and heaven sakes anyone that tells you V12Pro was made for shooting 3D with (SONY?) products - well you haven't touched the real story yet.

You don't even need a 3D camera to shoot 3D and edit.
TELL us where you are headed?
mraroid wrote on 6/29/2013, 10:50 AM
Hi...

I am sorry I did not make myself clear.

99% of what I do shoot is motion picture film. I edit by hand, and I also have it digitized, then in drop it into FCP. It is very expensive but I love film. I will not have enough money to buy a good 3D digital camera until I sell my home next year. I looked over 3D editing software and came up with the decision that Pro 12 was probably a good choice that would carry me forward, and it does support 2K. I can not edit in 3D on my Mac with good tools like Pro 12.

Now I want to buy a cheap 3D camera, shoot some 3D, then learn the 3D workflow in Vegas Pro. I think of it as putting my self through Pro 12 school.

So I found a camera that has the minimum of what I need to accomplish this task - at least I hope this is correct. So before I buy it, I am asking the Pro 12 community if anyone has imported 3D that this camera produces into Pro 12 and been able to burn a real 3D blu-ray DVD.

The first lower cost 3D camcorder I bought, Pro 12 would not import video from it. Finally, I was able to find the correct codec and then I could import the 3D file. However, it did not go well after that. So I sent some digital files from this 3D camcorder to a buddy in Calif who is in the LA 3D Society who uses Pro 12. He said my camera produced (not quite sure if I have the quote exactly correct) a single steam 3D image, and it could not be split into two images in Pro 12 or any other software - just the crap software that came with the camera. And that software burned a SD DVD with the quality of VSH.

As I work with film and in 2D, and FCP, 3D is a new world to me. I am not going to drop a thousand dollars on a Sony HDR-TD30V only to replace it with a professional 3D camera a year or so from now. So I want to buy a low cost 3D camera, that I can use to import 3D into Pro 12, and spend the next 12/18 months learning the workflow of 3D with this software.

I did not ask the pro 12 community before I bought the first low cost 3D camera. That was a $200 mistake I do not want to make again.

So now I have found another low cost 3D camera which produces a completely different file format. I have my fingers crossed that it will produce two separate images (or is it called streams?) into pro 12.

This is the only question I am asking the pro 12 community.

I believe that no matter how much you post about your personal financial status, I believe I have no business quizzing you about what you buy, or giving you my point of view on your finances. I feel it is none of my business. Perhaps you are correct - it may be word usage or language matters. I am sorry that I have not been able to explain my self so you know "where I am coming from".

I hope this is clear enough. I am sorry I was not as clear before. Please excuse me.

So, again, I ask, this simple question. Has anyone here in the pro 12 community imported files made from this camera, and have you been able to import them into Pro 12, and have you been able to burn a 3D Blu-ray DVD that you can view on a 3D DVD player and a 3D TV?

If anyone can point me to information re this I would be grateful.

Thanks

jack





videoITguy wrote on 6/29/2013, 12:15 PM
They SAY sometimes experience is the best teacher, and for sure you are gaining experience with your bad experiences.

The answer is that VegasPro12 is a very poor choice for many kinds of 3D opportunities beyond fooling around with the conceptual aspects of a certain flavor of the 3D tech.

BUT 3D is NOT 3D - meaning the flavors are many and I don't see any path for you to do anything but play into the hands of the SCS design. And then once you are there, you will want out.
Seth wrote on 6/29/2013, 7:56 PM
I disagree with the above commentary completely: Vegas is great for matching 3D pairs, correcting geometric differences, and color correcting.

In my personal workflow after I do this initial "ingest" I render to a side-by-side intermediate, and treat the rest of post like any other 2D production, notwithstanding the relatively few final depth and color grade adjustments I might make after picture lock.

I've produced a wildlife show in stereo using Vegas, and will be producing a series of fitness videos, using both fixed-IA cameras as well as beam-splitter dual camera rigs.

If I absolutely had to use a different workflow, I would simply edit in Vegas and do all stereo correction in Nuke using the Ocula plugin... But I don't have, because Vegas Pro already just works.
Seth wrote on 6/29/2013, 7:59 PM
To answee the OP's original question: I haven't used the Z100, but I have used the Sony Bloggie 3D, which records a side-by-side, frame-compatible file, and works flawlessly in Sony Vegas, as one would expect.

It is a great pocket 3D camera for cutting one's teeth.
mraroid wrote on 1/9/2014, 1:42 PM
RE: Toshiba 3D Z100 camcorder
Posted by: videoITguy
6/29/2013 10:15:03 AM
They SAY sometimes experience is the best teacher, and for sure you are gaining experience with your bad experiences.

The answer is that VegasPro12 is a very poor choice for many kinds of 3D opportunities beyond fooling around with the conceptual aspects of a certain flavor of the 3D tech.

BUT 3D is NOT 3D - meaning the flavors are many and I don't see any path for you to do anything but play into the hands of the SCS design. And then once you are there, you will want out.

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What software do you suggest videoITguy?

jack