Yes, I must admit I like track nesting too! What would be great now (maybe in a future release) is if nested tracks could be "collapsed", meaning you could make tracks nested within a parent track make temporarely invisible, like opening and closing subdirectories in Windows file explorer. This could make dealing with complex projects easier. I remember there was (at least up to Vegas 4, probably it still is there in Vegas 5) a script property of the track class that makes it possible to hide/unhide tracks by a script, so the actual feature would already be there. Would just have to be integrated into the GUI somehow.

FAB! - Very intuitive indeed .. This package just gets better and better . . . G

To be honest I havent figured out what the h*ll track nesting is.

- Ray

www.undergroundplanet.com

>To be honest I havent figured out what the h*ll track nesting is

It's a way more powerful version of the parent / child relationships you could have in previous versions of Vegas. You can check out my Vegas 5 Title Demo Veggie for an example.

In that file, I'm using the nesting to take the "Vegas 5" title disguised as a shadow, transform it in 3d space, then displace it using a clone of the backdrop, then mask it with a gradient. That required a 3 level hierarchy.

Another simpler example would be if you have a video wall (brady bunch) and you want to move the whole thing at once - whether in 3d or just zooming / panning. It can also aid in the creation of the video wall. Here is an example of a 25 clip video wall.

It looks harder than it was. I created the top row manually, and just cloned the tracks to create the entire 25 clip wall. It only took a few minutes. And then you can control entire rows at once, or the entire wall at once.

dust, the collapsing bit is the way I thought it was going to behave I have been looking for an option somewhere to allow this.

Not quite nested timelines but it would be a great addition that could improve workflow for some people/projects

Lets hope it makes it to 5.0b

Paul

nice explanation Cheesehole.

I'm still enjoying video on spinning cubes, but I can see that with Vegas's duplicate tracks and separate sets of parents, the sky, previously the limit, is getting a stiff neck.

Which kind of fx do you mean? - This does not work for me except of TrackMotion and Compositing Modes. If I apply a regular Track FX onto the parent track it is not applied to the video of the child tracks.

Marco

Good question Marco - So far I've only played with Motion, but just tried B&W FX to Parent Track - no change.

I don't really care if this is not presently enabled - as long as it's clear what is possible.

Doesn't work for me, either. Could you post a short example? I dropped two video tracks, used 2d motion to resize them, then added a third track above them, and made the two a child of the top one. Then I dragged the B & W fx to the top track - and nothing changed. What's missing?

You need to click the little arrow that is bottom left in the FX window to toggle it to pre If I recall well.

Collapsable !
That would be huge, it would make the timeline much cleaner.

There seems to be one weakness in this functionality.

Let's say I have a 2x2 video wall on 4 tracks that are chillds of an empty master track.

What would I do to set a transition between the video wall and a new event ? I can't us wither of the 4 child track because it will affect only that track. So my question, is this possible at all at the current moment ?
Would be nice if it was possible to collapse the master track and set transistions globlly on that track (an sort of event would appear on that track that would represent the content of the child tracks, but would be only used for transitions..

Compositing Tip #1: In Vegas 5, you can apply track level video fx pre/or post compositing (the little arrow just to the left of the track fx filter name). When post is selected, the effect will be applied after compositing for 2D tracks. The default is "Pre", before compositing.

Vegas 4 allowed you to apply event fx pre or post pan/crop, so this is an extension of that.

Compositing tip #2: If you have a stack of compositing tracks (parents and children) you can select all the tracks in the composite group and then right click>duplicate track. This will duplicate the entire composite group.

Brilliant!

Thanks Sonic EPM - these abilities are so impressive.

I'm looking forward to seeing examples of what guys come up with ....

Go on SonyEPM

Just add a little box on the top left of the parent track so the composite collapses parent and child tracks to a single track

It's just one box....

Paul

"I'm looking forward to seeing examples of what guys come up with .... "

Well it makes things like moving lower thirds very easy!

3D Lower third

Another example:

A new dimension.wmv (lost the .veg, sorry)

Your wmv is seriously cool!
Best/Tommy

I have the demo version of V4 at work.
Will the .veg files not open in a demo version?
I can't open any of the .veg files listed in this thread.

John

>A new dimension.wmv

heheh... nice, roger.

Thanks, both of you.

I really liked your "Glowing Title" btw.

Vegas 4 will not open Vegas 5 .veg files.