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Former user wrote on 7/21/2006, 6:21 AM
YOu don't need to use your video capture card. YOu can use the inputs on your audio card. If you are using the turntable with an amplifier, hook up the TAPE out to the LINE IN on the soundcard.

If you are only using a turntable, you will need a PHONO PREAMP.

Then Select LINE IN as your source and use VEGAS to record audio only. It is not really a capture. YOu enable the AUDIO tracks to record and hit the RECORD button, which is near the PLAY button on Vegas.

Dave T2
jetdv wrote on 7/21/2006, 6:37 AM
If you want to capture via firewire and capture audio only, try Scenalyzer Live which can do this. Otherwise, as was mentioned go through the sound card direct to the Vegas timeline.
RalphM wrote on 7/21/2006, 7:24 AM
Your turntable will have a very low level output (unless you are using a ceramic cartridge). Most modern amplifiers do not have phono-in capabilities, so unless you can use a vintage unit with phono-in and tape out (to feed your sound card or other lin-level inputs) you will need a pre-amp with RIAA equalization.

Try www.garage-a-records.com for equipment and supplies.

RalphM
kdi001 wrote on 7/21/2006, 7:36 AM
Thanks for all the responses.

Thankfully I have a 1980s stereo system that has phono in, CD in, video in, and red/white line outs. Now if I can only find a cable that has the two different ends I need. Radio Shack, here I come.
johnmeyer wrote on 7/21/2006, 7:48 AM
Once you get the audio into your computer, it would be almost criminal not to use a noise reduction plug-in to eliminate some of the easy-to-remove vinyl problems, especially the pops. The Sonic Foundry noise reduction plugin works miracles. No more pops. You can also use the Vinyl plugin which removes noise as well (hiss, etc.) although you have to be really careful with this so as not to remove too much. Nero comes with similar capabilities, as do most of the Roxio products.
kdi001 wrote on 7/21/2006, 7:52 AM
I heard very good things about the Sonic Foundry plugin and also something called SoundSoap? I haven't heard much about that one though.
MichaelS wrote on 7/21/2006, 8:24 AM
Taking the thread a step to the side... The other day I needed to make a CD from an old 78 direct to disc. The type of record recorded by servicemen in WWII to send home to mama. I didn't have a quality 78 rpm turntable handy, so I checked the web for an alternative.

I found a small piece of software called "Golden Records" that allows you to dub a 78 at 45 rpm. Plus, it comes with some noise/crackle/click reduction. I only used the demo, but it worked surprisingly well in a pinch. I don't think that I would rely on it for high quality work, but it did do exactly what what adverstised.

Take a look.

http://www.nch.com.au/golden/index.html

I'm sure there are other programs that will do the same thing and more.
johnmeyer wrote on 7/21/2006, 8:43 AM
I have done quite a few of those Wilcox Gay Recordio do-it-yourself discs, some made at the top of the Empire State building by tourists and servicemen back at the end of WWII. Don't forget that you have to equalize any 78 rpm recording (change the treble and the bass) because they do not follow the RIAA equalization curve. I have a listing of the major equalization curves for most 78 rpm recordings. Can't remember which one I used for the Recordio, but I definitely did change the equalization. If you play it through a standard modern RIAA preamp, which provides RIAA equalization, you must undo this equalization and then apply the proper 78 rpm equalization. I created an Excel spreadsheet that does this and then tells you the settings to use in a 10 level graphic equalizer, which is generally perfectly adequate for the purpose. I use the one in SoundForge.
kdi001 wrote on 7/21/2006, 9:18 AM
Well I bought a Y-adapter phono plugs to 1/8" plug cable and I can't get any sound or anything recording--even with an audio cassette playing. Must I change something on my Dell (XP Pro) PC? No audio level whatsoever shows on the Vegas track header.
So close, but yet so far....

Dale
AlanC wrote on 7/21/2006, 9:25 AM
Dale

On a 1980's stereo system, the red & white outputs are probably for extension speakers. If so then there will be a switch on the stereo to switch from the inbuilt speakers to the extensions.

Alan
birdcat wrote on 7/21/2006, 9:45 AM
Also don't forget that the 78's use a different needle than do 45's & 33's. You might want to find an older turntable that has the 78 speed as those had both types of needles.
kdi001 wrote on 7/21/2006, 9:45 AM
Hi Alan,

Well, I just checked the rear panel and discovered a manufacturing date of 1992. I could have swore it was older than that.

At any rate, it comes in two pieces.

The bottom piece, which is the cd player, has the two red/white line outs on the rear and a small, almost flat, rectangular power connector that connects to the other piece of the unit--

The top piece contains the tuner, all the various rear inputs as described above, rear speaker wire connectors. The turntable is separate.

But I can't even get my cd to record or be heard in Vegas.
Hope I'm being clear...
kdi001 wrote on 7/21/2006, 9:48 AM
I should add that it is a Sony stereo system unit (grin). Looks like I won't be able to get it to work with this type of system.
fldave wrote on 7/21/2006, 10:07 AM
Double click your Volume icon in XP. Then select in the menu Options\Properties and select Recording, then make sure all of the checkboxes are checked, then click OK. You should see all of your system's inputs now. Select each one individually with your stereo playing, and see if you get any sound on the inputs (except the microphone!)
kdi001 wrote on 7/21/2006, 12:09 PM
Bad news. Still nothing. Looks like this old stereo system can't work.

My turntable comes with a red/white phono plug cable (which cannot be removed). I am connecting the other ends to my stereo system's phono ins. Then I'm going from the system's lineouts to the line-in on my PC's audio card via 1/8" plug. Yes, it's the line-in (I even tried the others).

Someone can verify me by reading my earlier post where I described my stereo system, but apparently it's not going to work.
Can it be that those lineouts are for the CD unit and speakers only?
Yet it does have speaker wire connections on the other consule.
Ughhh!

Anyway, assuming it can't work, a pre-amp isn't going to do me any good because this stereo system won't connect and work properly with my PC; I guess I'll need a regular amplifier.

Where can I get an affordable amp or is there a cheaper solution (I hope!!) to get my old records on my PC to work in Vegas??
gordyboy wrote on 7/21/2006, 2:00 PM
There's lots of phono cartridge to USB converter boxes available (for example, the Terratec Phono PreAmp Studio USB which is about $130).

There's even a turntable with built in usb converter, the Ion iTTUSB Turntable with USB Record which is about $150 on Amazon.

I'm sure it would be cheaper to buy a second-hand amp or tuner with a phono input and line output - sound quality should be at least as good as any of the above and probably better.

Good luck with the transfer!

Cheers

gb
johnmeyer wrote on 7/21/2006, 2:16 PM
If you can hear sound via the steroe's speakers or through a headphone jack, then it will work, I can pretty much guarantee it. You just need to make the correct connections. Line output (the RCA jacks) need to go to the line input on the sound card in your computer, and the recording levels need to be set as already described by someone else in an earlier post. Your stereo is neither too old or too new. I reguarly use a stereo that was manufactured in 1966, another that was built in 1982, and another in 1992. They all work just fine.
farss wrote on 7/21/2006, 2:27 PM
Ortorfon still make 78 needles for their cartridges.

Bob.
Former user wrote on 7/21/2006, 4:00 PM
Make sure you have LINE IN enabled.

Go to your windows mixer and select the RECORD PROPERTIES and check that LINE IN is checked.

Dave T2
kdi001 wrote on 7/22/2006, 6:33 AM
Okay,

I didn't have the Line-in enabled on my PC, but that still Only allowed me to hear and record my CD player. Remember from my earlier post, the CD unit is the box that has the lineouts. Despite the fact that I am selecting the proper inputs (Phono, Tape, etc.), I can't get the turntable or the cassette player to be heard or recorded in Vegas.
I do have everything connected properly, and both the main unit and the cd player unit are connected properly to each other.

The stereo system (two components) I have is the
Sony HST-221 and the
Sony CDP-C221 disc player

I have included a link, that I found, below, so anyone can get a look at the main unit, keeping in mind it doesn't have the outputs, only speaker wire connectors. The disc player has the outputs, which probably accounts for why it's the only thing I can get working.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/ele/182580782.html
johnmeyer wrote on 7/22/2006, 6:42 AM
You still should be able to take the cable that goes from the amplifier to the tape player (so the tape player can record things) and instead route that to the line input on the computer sound card. There have got to be other line outputs on this thing besides those on the CD player. If not, you can do the other thing I suggested in an ealier post, namely connect the headphone outputs from the amplifier to the line input on the sound card. You'll need to adjust the headphone volume to the midrange (if you have a separate headphone control), and you'll need the appropriate cable with a subminiature jack on both ends (or you can get two subminiature to RCA cables and use adapters on the RCA connectors to connect them together.

You haven't said so, but I assume that you can hear your LPs play on the speaker of the stereo itself.
Steve Mann wrote on 7/22/2006, 1:19 PM
"Ortorfon still make 78 needles for their cartridges."

I can remember taking the needles out of the envelope and tightening the thumbscrew that held them to the tone-arm.

Damn, I'm old.
johnmeyer wrote on 7/22/2006, 3:55 PM
"Ortorfon still make 78 needles for their cartridges."

No, you're REALLY old if you can remember sharpening the needles. My late dad used to tell me about that on the first Victrola he used as a kid in the 1920s.
ECB wrote on 7/22/2006, 4:14 PM
Old Duffers,

On the old Victrola do you remember the Pathe 78's which I beleve the track was modulated vertically rather than horizontally. You had to twist the turn the tone-arm 90 degress to play. How about "Cohen on the telephone". Now I do feel old. ;)

Ed