Well, one of us has to stick up for the T/L. It's all I use. If I had to insert 10 seconds into a complex project, I would just mute every track, add another track, drag whatever I'm evaluating to that track, find my 10 seconds, isolate it, cut everything else on that track away, unmute the muted tracks, insert the 10 seconds, and be done.

I'm not knocking the trimmer, I've just never use it. I should probably study it a bit,.

Caruso

Caruso -
if the clip you drag to your new track is, maybe 10 mins to one hour long, and you fiinally find the bit you want up near the end, it can be a bit of a fiddly job getting just that little bit back to where you want it (although "F" is an excellent single track ripple shortcut). I use the film editing metaphor, where you go to a bin to find an excerpt, then "splice" it into the program/ rough cut etc.
The Trimmer is my bin - it maketh me to lie down near green pastures .....

(cross reference: I think "Vegas" means "meadows" in Spanish ...)

There's no right or wrong, here - just a fantastic range of tools .....

I haven't used the trimmer yet. Wouldn't you still have to pull the long file and search in the trimmer as you would the Time Line? How is the trimmer faster in this respect?

I haven't used the trimmer yet. Wouldn't you still have to pull the long file and search in the trimmer as you would the Time Line? How is the trimmer faster in this respect?

The trimmer is faster here for at least two reasons:

1) You do not have to change the focus of the timeline. It can stay where the new clip needs to be inserted.
2) You can mark the small area needed in the trimmer and simply drag it to the timeline at the needed spot (or use the variety of other keypresses/buttons to move to the timeline in various ways). Finding the section in the trimmer is just as easy as finding it on the timeline - except, you only have that one clip's worth of footage to search through.

Both methods have their advantages and disadvantages. When I'm starting to go through several clips of footage, I put them on the timeline, mark the sections I want to keep, and use Extract Good Clips to pull those segment off to a new track. If I need to find a small segment later to fill a hole, I'll use the trimmer.

Seriously, I have not used the trimmer since I started using Vegas, thats a couple years ago. I have found it too easy to trim/cut from the timeline, perhaps I'm missing something worth doing? Hmmm....

The more I experience Vegas, the more intuitive I make it.

Often the project will determine HOW I will work the edit. Possibly over the past 2 years I have experimented with some 30 or 40 working methods.

I like to think I use Vegas as an expressive tool. I guess people hereabouts can sometimes get "fondly" aggravated with me that I'm either searching for something that isn't there OR that I've stumbled across a rather "sticky" and "icky" process that just doesn't make sense. However, this is central to my own learning process - which is very important to me. I need to experiment and keep pushing the envelope - I'm not going to change - that's me! I don't have a wide and deep understanding of the technologies - I leave this for "others" to debate. Side bar here: I often read such threads and I'm honestly left in awe at the complexity and depth of understanding - try the Balanced Audio thread that is so utterly fascinating - honest!

Where am I going with this? - Well, the trimmer is part of my arsenal to allow me to "Get At!" the video. In one clear & simple view it allows me to "see" the filming I did and then extract that which was in my head when I was filming. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT! The feeling of the shoot can sometimes be captured in the simplest of sequences in a 10 or 20 second filmed sequence. The Trimmer lets me see this in one strip. And here is the clincher! AND AWAY FROM THE IDEAS in the timeline. Anybody understand what I mean? So that is where I'm going with this.

I say YEAH! for the trimmer 'cos it gives me another "room" to view some small piece in isolation - oh, and I can also make regions out of it too! Bonus! - I jest . . .making the regions IS the crucial value of it.

Grazie

I just lost my Trimmerginity.

I'm glad I waited until I was with an Editor that I have chosen to stay with for the rest of my life.

Dave

GO Dave,
soon you could become (say it outloud in your best Arnold Schwartzenegger accent) Da Triminata.

...sometimes the phone will ring or someone will knock on the door ... this is a case of Editus Trimmeruptis...

... one day I was trying to expand the trimmer window but it was stiff and inflexible ... it was a case of Trimmermortis...

Well I just think that this thread is TRIMMERIFIC!!!

Dave

Hey, everybody! Stop reading this dumb thread, get up and go outside for a change! Or else you might get Trimmeroids!

Or you could just get some Preparation T

Dave

Nagh! thats what the "cookie cutter" is for. ouch!