Two simple things that make Vegas a superior NLE

DMT3 wrote on 8/29/2022, 8:46 AM

I am sure others may not agree, but after trying other NLE programs, I have found two things that make Vegas so much easier to use, that those two alone keep me from using others. The first is the ability to zoom the timeline using the mouse wheel. I have NLEs and DAWs that I have to use shortcuts or drag a slider to zoom. Really slows things down. The other is the ability to drag the cursor/scrubber from almost any area by just placing the mouse over its line. I hate how on other apps you have to actually grab the head of the scrubber to move it. Just something on my mind this morning.

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Steve_Rhoden wrote on 8/29/2022, 9:33 AM

Well, i am one that agrees with you 100% on your assessment.... Another point is one or two mouse clicks to achieve a task, while other NLE's takes a lot more.

jetdv wrote on 8/29/2022, 10:50 AM

Crossfades! Simply overlap two events. No need to worry about "heads" and "tails" on the events!

Scripting! While Premiere also offers scripting, the VEGAS scripting is much easier to use and can do more things.

Peter-Riding wrote on 8/29/2022, 11:26 AM

I am sure others may not agree, but after trying other NLE programs, I have found two things that make Vegas so much easier to use, that those two alone keep me from using others. The first is the ability to zoom the timeline using the mouse wheel. I have NLEs and DAWs that I have to use shortcuts or drag a slider to zoom. Really slows things down. The other is the ability to drag the cursor/scrubber from almost any area by just placing the mouse over its line. I hate how on other apps you have to actually grab the head of the scrubber to move it. Just something on my mind this morning.

This should be an interesting and informative thread. I use Resolve as well as Vegas.

With Resolve it is easy to zoom the timeline simply by holding the Alt key whilst using the mouse wheel; not as easy as Vegas but not really an issue. Again with Resolve you can move the cursor (what Resolve calls the Playhead) forwards and backwards a cut at a time by using the up and down arrow keys plus there are icons to jump the size of the timeline from show everything to more zoomed and back. I did an edit and render project with Vegas this morning and yes indeed the Vegas you describe are better.

On the minus side with Vegas Multicam you have to break the timeline back out into its individual tracks before doing some editing otherwise risk losing some edits and the number of tracks can be unwieldy. With Resolve you don't have to break it out, you can continue with just one video and one audio track which themselves contain multiple file components.

On the minus side with Resolve its Database methodology is a nightmare compared to Vegas. And in that regard when you update to a new version e.g. Resolve 17 to 18 you cannot readily revert back should you wish whereas with Vegas you can continue to use earlier versions.

A lot of users trying Resolve having worked with Vegas and other apps get frustrated that the Space key in resolve does not return your playback to your last play-start whereas Vegas can do so. But it is available as an option in its preferences and I do it routinely.

On the plus side with Vegas you can redesign and save your desktop user interface almost ad infinitum whereas Resolve is extremely limited.

 

daniel-t wrote on 8/29/2022, 3:37 PM

Vegas is “new user unfriendly” but that’s exactly what also makes it fast and efficient and a joy to use for experienced users. Things are “there”, exposed and within a few clicks, which is overwhelming if you don’t know what they are, but so much faster when you do.

I feel the same way about the CorelDRAW suite - what a nightmare to get into fresh, but I’ve been using it for practically my whole life and can do pretty much anything with it in amazingly little time.

I’ve been using Music Maker out of necessity, a program marketed towards beginners, and while one might reason that it’s simple, it’s also atrocious for usability. Major features/functions are hidden in nested tabs you don’t even know to look at, oft-used functions get microscopic buttons (ie. plug-in settings) and rarely used functions get giant buttons, default editing behaviors are bizarre and uncustomizable…

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Steve_Rhoden wrote on 8/29/2022, 3:54 PM

@daniel-t CorelDraw and CorelPhotpaint is where my passion also lies in using as my image editing tasks back in the day, but because Photoshop and Illustrator is what is mostly used and what all my clients use, i eventually had to put it aside for Adobe.... Really miss the ease and versatility of the CorelDraw suite.

jetdv wrote on 8/30/2022, 7:02 AM

Vegas is “new user unfriendly” but that’s exactly what also makes it fast and efficient and a joy to use for experienced users.

I will somewhat disagree with you here. If they are used to another NLE, that might be somewhat true as you need to "untrain" yourself from the other NLE. I came from EditDV/Cinestream and switching to VEGAS made my life much easier as VEGAS works the way I think. You are correct that it took me a little while to adjust but, once I did, I realized how much VEGAS works the way I do instead of me having to work the way the NLE does.

Dexcon wrote on 8/30/2022, 7:44 AM

The first is the ability to zoom the timeline using the mouse wheel. I have NLEs and DAWs that I have to use shortcuts or drag a slider to zoom. Really slows things down. The other is the ability to drag the cursor/scrubber from almost any area by just placing the mouse over its line. I hate how on other apps you have to actually grab the head of the scrubber to move it.

Absolutely. I couldn't agree more. It's surprising that other NLE's haven't long ago implemented better timeline usage as per Vegas Pro.

Vegas is “new user unfriendly”

Sorry, but I can't agree on this point - but then of course every person's experience is individual to that person.

I went from ULead VideoStudio to Vegas Pro 10 and found that using VP10 was easier than using ULead VS mainly because it didn't have limitations of the number of tracks that could be used, the extremely easy way of creating crossfades, and more comprehensive render options.

IMO, for a brand new user to the NLE world, Vegas Pro would have to be one of the most intuitive NLEs outside of entry level/consumer targeted NLEs to learn and adapt to. With VP, there are often several ways to implement many functions - and you don't have to know all of those ways.

I seriously can't imagine that an NLE newbie would find daVinci Resolve an easier and quicker learning experience than it would be with Vegas Pro. This is not to criticise Resolve because Resolve's workflow is broken down into departments (e.g. basic editing, color grading, audio) much more designed for collaborative specialist teams - which is not the case with Vegas Pro.

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Steve_Rhoden wrote on 8/30/2022, 9:09 AM

@Dexcon I too migrated from ULead VideoStudio way back in the day as my start, And was eyeing to grab a copy of Ulead Media Studio, which was the bigger brother Pro level NLE.... But during testings i bucked upon Sonic Foundry Vegas Video 3 .... Oh my goodness, i was so blown away and excited at the ease of use and what i could quickly and easily achieve in a very short time, man, i ditched everything else and never looked back.

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VideoWave yuck > then Pinnacle (something) > Video Factory Sonic Foundry > then VV3 and never looked BACK! Yeah, well, I’ve looked sideways, don’t we all 😉….. But it was the sheer support here - my 23,000 posts - and the engineers, who I met on several occasions here in London and Amsterdam, that keeps me going.

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fr0sty wrote on 8/30/2022, 10:29 AM

Scripting and GL transitions have been some of my favorite things about VEGAS.

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pierre-k wrote on 8/30/2022, 10:53 AM

Discussions on Davinci and Adobe often make me laugh, where they decide how to force the playback head to move to where they need it. The so-called Move playhead to cursor. He has to move her so clumsily all the time. Their users come up with various shortcuts and third-party applications. The same applies to zoom for the timeline - you must use Alt or some shortcut. And I'm not talking about the way to create Transitions.

Really funny.

Every year, Adobe and Davinci boast about the revolutionary ease of editing, but they still strictly reject these three functions that Vegas has. They probably never worked in Vegas. I am convinced that until they implement these features, they will never win over Vegas users. The intuitive speed of cutting and editing in Vegas is still personally more important to me than the ultra-smooth playback preview in Davinci.

But I believe that this last pain of Vegas, such as the smooth preview during playback, will soon change!

By the way, for several years now I have been trying to convince the team to implement the fourth unique feature that Reaper has. Mark events by holding down the right mouse button. I would appreciate it if you could help me with this promotion.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/speedy-edit-with-the-right-mouse-button--104440/#ca809851

Steve_Rhoden wrote on 8/30/2022, 11:05 AM

@pierre-k i'm still not 100% clear as to exactly what you mean pierre-k.... Is it possible you can share with me a video example of it being done exactly in Reaper as you are describing?

pierre-k wrote on 8/30/2022, 11:15 AM

@pierre-k i'm still not 100% clear as to exactly what you mean pierre-k.... Is it possible you can share with me a video example of it being done exactly in Reaper as you are describing?

Reaper is free in its basic version. I recommend you to install it and try it. Put a lot of events in the timeline and play with the mouse. It's freaking fast. You will love it. Believe me.

Reyfox wrote on 8/30/2022, 11:22 AM

@pierre-k I have Reaper (paid version) and don't quite follow your procedure.

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Steve_Rhoden wrote on 8/30/2022, 11:38 AM

As a matter of fact, many years ago, there was talk going around that Reaper actually copied, incorporated or followed the interface and functionality of Vegas in that software architecture & design..... Not sure if any of it were true or not.

Reyfox wrote on 8/30/2022, 12:01 PM

@Steve_Rhoden, here is an interesting thread on the Reaper forum. The poster did a edit with Reaper. And while it can be done, I wouldn't attempt it. It's still compared to modern editors.

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daniel-t wrote on 8/30/2022, 2:54 PM

By "new user unfriendly" I mean more in the sense that it doesn't try to hold your hand with wizards or make everything big and pretty and show you only a few options at a time so you don't get totally overwhelmed by the possibilities. And I guess by "new user" I mean more "people unfamiliar with the technicalities of using complex software". Like, coming from a diet of CorelDRAW, I picked up Vegas almost instantly because it followed the same UI design and operation principles.

Reyfox wrote on 8/30/2022, 3:12 PM

Vegas can be intimidating to a new user for sure. Just one time to the Preferences, and please don't mention Internal.... There is so much customization that those coming from most consumer editors, they will struggle at first. But if they stick it out, they will certainly be rewarded with a big smile over what they can now do.

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