UPDATE: Import Image Sequence - Solution?

Grazie wrote on 8/15/2014, 2:04 AM
I had to RENAME all my selection of Photos into a sequential "SEQUENCE".

What I had, which is most probably true for a typical photographer/videographer, was a selection of Photos that I'd taken and/or edited OUT of a continuation of SHOOTING.

I have looked through the Vegas Help Files and read and re-read Forum input on this and I could not unearth this. It would be a "good" thing for a warning to be programmed that would flag out-of-sequence photos/images and should Vegas proceed?

As a longtime User, I don't regard this is as User Expectation. I didn't!

I do hope that SCS take on-board my feedback and make changes to accommodate my suggestions above.

Grazie

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farss wrote on 8/15/2014, 2:54 AM
I've always taken an image sequence to be a sequence of frames as recorded by a camera. Each frame is sequentially numbered. When imported to a NLE each will be in sequence and one frame long.

If I want to import a series of still images then I'd use a different mechanism entirely.
I'd set how long I want each photo to be displayed for in Preferences. From the explorer window select all the photos and drag them onto the T/L

Bob.
Mark_e wrote on 8/15/2014, 3:15 AM
I had similar issue where I was just putting together a montage of a bunch of shots over the year and I used http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/45646/bulk-rename-tool-is-a-lightweight-but-powerful-renaming-tool/ to just rename the pictures so they were sequences so it was easier to work with, just a bit of fun :-)
set wrote on 8/15/2014, 3:26 AM
Bulk Rename Tool is interesting... besides, you have a working copy instead of original copy too, with different name, in case you still need it.

I use the same application to differentiate different camera's movie file.

Set

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Mark_e wrote on 8/15/2014, 3:29 AM
fixed, thx :0)
Grazie wrote on 8/15/2014, 3:49 AM
Well, Bob, that's you, not moi.

Mark, did you also now renumber too?

Grazie



Mark_e wrote on 8/15/2014, 4:28 AM
Yes it works really well! a bit arcane to learn the tool but it works really well I renumbered sequentially created imported image sequences then just used the velocity envelope to regulate playback, for what I was doing it worked well.
Grazie wrote on 8/15/2014, 5:06 AM
Mark, have a look at IrfanView .

Grazie

Rory Cooper wrote on 8/15/2014, 6:17 AM
Grazie I use advanced image renamer.

I select the folder from the application or camera and re-sequence a sample for Vegas
I am not sure if this was your particular issue?
Grazie wrote on 8/15/2014, 6:48 AM
Roars, I didn't know it was... until I figured it out for myself, early this morning. And THEN it was my understanding that an image sequence was NOT what I understood as being an image sequence. And THAT was the real "this" User issue.

Grazie

Chienworks wrote on 8/15/2014, 9:45 AM
I wish Windows had an intelligent renaming function built in. It's method of appending " (1)" .. " (343)" ... etc. at least differentiates the file names, but it's not very useful. It also does NOT append a number to the first one. I wish i could set it to append "_00001", "_00002" ... etc. This would produce a sequence that Vegas could reliably use.

That being said, to relate an example that applies to both Grazie & Bob's concerns, i've occasionally used a still camera to capture an animation of real-world objects. Once in a while i flub a frame and need to delete it. So i might go from 0001--0763, have to delete 0764, then use 0765--1531, for example. I can tell Vegas to start with 0001 but it won't go past 0763, then i have to start another sequence at 0765 to the end, or rename, or import the whole thing with the bad frame and then delete the bad frame on the timeline. Not a world stopper, but still annoying.

Probably a good implementation would be to allow the user to specify an end frame that comes after the break, then Vegas could pop up a box saying "Frames x, y, z are missing from that list. Ignore breaks and use anyway, or Cancel?"
TeetimeNC wrote on 8/15/2014, 10:33 AM
Windows Explorer will also do this.

/jerry
NormanPCN wrote on 8/15/2014, 11:22 AM
Vegas does let you specify an ending frame after a break/hole in the sequence. What it does not do is prompt for what to do about the sequence breaks/holes. What you get are black/blank frames for each missing frame in the sequence.
Grazie wrote on 8/15/2014, 11:30 AM
Norman: What you get are black/blank frames for each missing frame in the sequence.And if I've taken 1,000 shots and edit these down to say 500 with holes all over the place . . ?

I like Kelso's suggestion.

Grazie
NormanPCN wrote on 8/15/2014, 12:19 PM
Yes. You have to renumber/rename the files into a continuous sequence of files for a continuous sequence of video frames.

Vegas treats the holes in a sequence as frames that should be there but are missing. I am not sure if Vegas makes those frames Black or Blank. I've not tested the alpha effects.
rmack350 wrote on 8/15/2014, 1:44 PM
Grazie, you've accidentally done me a favor today. I just shot a set of 235 image using a process that's gotten a little flakey for me. Shots go straight from the film camera to the PC but sometimes shots are missed or the camera freezes up...time for a new camera body.

So...how to tell if there are missing shots? Import them into Vegas as an image sequence. Vegas makes it very clear if there's a break in the sequence. Which there wasn't, and now I know there wasn't.

It's not just a floor wax, it's also a desert topping!

As for renumbering, I usually use a program called Advanced Renamer. It'll rename things in sort order so you could renumber based on the filename or by date. There are plenty of these apps around, I like this one because it's not a blizzard of buttons and check boxes.

Rob
Peter Riding wrote on 8/15/2014, 4:13 PM
Remember if you have Photoshop you'll also have Bridge and that has a simple yet powerful file renaming function. You can dump any bunch of files into a folder and have Bridge arrange them by alpha or numeric name, date created, date modified, file type etc, or just drag them into your own preferred order. You can colour tag files as well if that helps sort through large numbers. You can customise and save for future use, adding prefixes and suffixes etc to existing names, generate completely new names, and so on. Yes I'm a photographer and yes I use this function daily :- )

Pete
TeetimeNC wrote on 8/15/2014, 4:24 PM
Pete, great information!

/jerry
farss wrote on 8/15/2014, 4:25 PM
[I]"And if I've taken 1,000 shots and edit these down to say 500 with holes all over the place . . ?"[/I]

Then import them as photos. Under Options>Preferences>Editing change New Still Image Length to 0.040 and each photo will be one frame long and in the order you've selected them.

Bob.
Grazie wrote on 8/15/2014, 10:28 PM
Yes, Bob, I had already used that manual method. In fact, I used that manual method to confirm the issue I was getting: Black Frames and out of sequence Stills. I was after having the Stills imported using the Import Image Sequence. After all this was what I was trying to test. As a result, I discovered what was happenning!

Grazie
relaxvideo wrote on 8/16/2014, 1:09 AM
What about total commander? Select files and hit CTRL+M
There are lot of options!

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Grazie wrote on 8/16/2014, 2:21 AM
I'm sure there are many 3rd Party options out there, adding further steps and hoops - I use IrfanView - but all of this takes me away from that original, creative thought, inspiration that I was wanting to execute while viewing my Media:

Ideas are like Arrows in-flight. If you don't grab 'em, they are gone . . forever.

What I am asking for, and that's now obvious from the responses so far - THANK YOU - is that this option be made available directly, from WITHIN Vegas.

Now how about that!

Grazie

Frans Meijer wrote on 8/16/2014, 4:44 PM
Have you tried virtualdub to cut out the unwanted frames and create a new sequence? It'll read a (complete) sequence, you can then cut out unwanted parts and export either an AVI or a new image sequence.
musicvid10 wrote on 8/16/2014, 5:00 PM
Artists.
sheesh
Grazie wrote on 8/17/2014, 12:10 AM
Alpha-numeric experts.
eehhss