Upgrading from VP14 suite to Vegas Pro 15 was a bitter experience

mark-kramer wrote on 12/8/2017, 2:19 PM

So - - - I got Vegas 14 pro suite to work. I became adept at using most of the NewBlueFx included in the VP14 suite. I had developed a productive workflow. MAGIX technical support had helped me resolve a few issues. I was impressed.

But, I then became interested in the promise of considerable improvements afforded by Vegas Pro 15, but could not justify spending another $299 considering that I had only purchased VP14 suite a few months prior. I wrote MAGIX about my concern. I received a courteous "matter of fact" reply, stating that cost of the upgrade was the price.

But then about a month later the software notified me that the VP15 was now available for $199 with all its advertised improvements, and with NewBlue Colorfast2 and another module. So - -- I upgraded to VP15 for $199. This seemed to be a fairer deal than an upgrade for $299, I still held my nose, but did this mainly based on the prior excellent customer service.

Importantly: I then noticed that a majority of the NewBlueFx included in VP14 could NOT be authorized. I spent several hours troubleshooting the issue. I then wrote MAGIX technical support for help on the issues. I was then told that because of licensing issues between MAGIX and the NewBlueFX (NBFX), that the NBFX included in the VP14 suite could not be activated in the VP15 upgrade. I was shocked, as the NBFX were a chief reason why I originally purchased the VP14 suite. Afterall I could have continued using older versions of Sony Vegas.

For your consideration and opinions: I'd never ever before experienced a company that offered upgrades that resulted in the loss of previous functionality. I would have never upgraded had I realized that many of the NBFX would now be absent. And to my knowledge, this had not been made explicit. It makes no difference how wonderful VP15 is compared with VP14, Afterall I was already cooking along with the VP14 suite. Perhaps the VP15 would result in great improvements which I could not yet know but which I might need in the future. So, I thought - why not support the company's research? Yet, given what actually transpired - from my point of view, upgrading to VP15 had been a waste of time and money.

Unless I missed something entirely, this episode appears to constitute a lame, if not predatory, business practice on the part of MAGIX. Furthermore, customer service did not offer to make this situation right with me. This could not be merely a cultural misunderstanding. I believe the licensing issue is between MAGIX and NBFX, and not between me and NBFX. Right now, I feel both companies have jeopardized their credibility. Was MAGIX transparent in the case? Does NBFX have any role in making me whole?

Essentially, I now do not use VP15. Thus, in fact, I have made a small involuntary donation to MAGIX, I feel "played" by the company. What do others think of this situation?

I am interested in feedback from the community. I would gladly let this slide if I could understand why MAGIX believes that I should absorb its licensing problem with NBFX, It is not rational, is it?

Best, Mark

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Comments

xberk wrote on 12/8/2017, 5:32 PM

It's definitely a mess with NewBlue stuff being bundled with new versions of Vegas. I gave up on it myself and use the Titlers, FX and such that Vegas provides. I believe you can get an upgrade to NewBlueFX Titler 6 for $149. Seems fair to me if it really is so much better than what comes with Vegas.

IF anyone can explain which one of these NewBlueFX programs I can run under VP15, I'd welcome the advice.

 

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NickHope wrote on 12/8/2017, 10:17 PM

I think Magix should either:

1. Warn purchasers very clearly that bundled third-party add-ons may not work in future versions of Vegas, and are governed by different licenses which may prevent them from being used on more than one machine,

or

2. Stop selling the Suite and concentrate on their own software.

marc-s wrote on 12/9/2017, 1:10 AM

You may want to ask Magix for a refund. I just received one because the latest version of Sound Forge studio does not work properly with third party VST plugins like RX Noise. They were pretty cool about it.

dream wrote on 12/9/2017, 6:37 AM

do you guys feels a major upgrade going through 13 to 15

xberk wrote on 12/9/2017, 2:16 PM

Major upgrade? .. Well .. maybe not -- but, for me, $149 for the Edit version and the "extras" was worth going from VP14 to 15 .. I've never regretted upgrading to the latest version of Vegas. Two things I really like since VP13 are the 1000% velocity envelope and now, in VP15, the one click freeze frame. Small stuff but large to me. VP15 seems the smoothest yet for playback and I'm still using my old GTX560Ti graphics card.

Paul B .. PCI Express Video Card: EVGA VCX 10G-P5-3885-KL GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 ULTRA ,,  Intel Core i9-11900K Desktop Processor ,,  MSI Z590-A PRO Desktop Motherboard LGA-1200 ,, 64GB (2X32GB) XPG GAMMIX D45 DDR4 3200MHz 288-Pin SDRAM PC4-25600 Memory .. Seasonic Power Supply SSR-1000FX Focus Plus 1000W ,, Arctic Liquid Freezer II – 360MM .. Fractal Design case ,, Samsung Solid State Drive MZ-V8P1T0B/AM 980 PRO 1TB PCI Express 4 NVMe M.2 ,, Wundiws 10 .. Vegas Pro 19 Edit

mark-kramer wrote on 12/10/2017, 11:07 AM

I think Magix should either:

1. Warn purchasers very clearly that bundled third-party add-ons may not work in future versions of Vegas, and are governed by different licenses which may prevent them from being used on more than one machine,

or

2. Stop selling the Suite and concentrate on their own software.

Nick, Yes, well put. This makes a ton of sense to me. Best, Mark

mark-kramer wrote on 12/10/2017, 11:11 AM

You may want to ask Magix for a refund. I just received one because the latest version of Sound Forge studio does not work properly with third party VST plugins like RX Noise. They were pretty cool about it.

Yes Marc, I will. I can always buy VP15 in the future if the need should arise. This would be preferable to abandoning the company - as this is where I'd been headed.