well..... Recycle will not let you break down a Stereo kit
but Wavesurgeon will! The problem being the fact that its
harder to find Zero crossings on both channels at the same
time!!
But dont get me wrong ....!! you have to cut´em up and
then place them on seperate tracks in vegas *It will not
make a seperate file which only contains the snares or toms
as the only thing you would gain in that is seperate
tracks...which is nice but the main thing is being able to
reprogram the original loop!

Erich Grube wrote:
>>>>DRUM PROGRAMMING
>>>>
>>>>What i do is that after i have got the basic track
>>together
>>>>i take the drum loop that started the track and open it
>>in
>>>>Recycle and cut it to pieces and from there i just
export
>>>>it as wave files and guess what! If you select all the
>>>>pieces in the Vegas Explorer and bring them all in to a
>>>>track they line up in such a manner that they play just
>>as
>>>>the original loop, but you have all the pieces and then
>>its
>>>>just a matter of setting the grid to a desired value
and
>>>>start shuffling the pieces around (very much like a
MIDI
>>>>sequencer except its faster and more creative as in the
>>you
>>>>can esily put all the snares on one track and the
hihats
>>on
>>>>another.Usually this cost me all the eight outputs of
my
>>>>sampler and its nowhere near as effective.)
>>>>
>>
>>Are you saying that Recycler will take a stereo drum
loop,
>>i.e full kit, and allow you to break it down into
>>individual parts, i.e. hats, kick, snare, cymbals,
toms....
>>that you then import back into individual tracks in Vegas?
>>
>>Erich Gruber
>>
>>
>>Arnar Helgi wrote:
>>>>After being a bit disappointed about the video
functions
>>in
>>>>VegasVideo and displaying my disappointment here in the
>>>>forum i think its only fair that i talk a bit about the
>>>>good sides of SonicFoundry Products!
>>>>
>>>>The best way for me to do that is to talk a bit about
how
>>i
>>>>use these products and admit to the fact that i use
ONLY
>>>>Sonic Foundry products in all my music production.
>>>>After that you can (if you want) check out some of my
>>work
>>>>by using the link supplied below.
>>>>
>>>>MUSIC PRODUCTION.
>>>>
>>>>All the sounds are initially synced to the same tempo
in
>>>>Acid as i use acid only to preview the samples i have
and
>>>>to get an idea for what works together.
>>>>
>>>>Then i do edits in Soundforge and produce and mix the
>>song
>>>>in Vegas.
>>>>
>>>>ACID
>>>>I dont try to make songs in acid, i only make one or
two
>>>>bars and then maybe i use like 40-50 tracks which i
mute
>>>>and unmute and then i maybe have material for two or
>>three
>>>>songs in that one project and i dont need to decide the
>>>>direction i want to take just yet.
>>>>
>>>>After playing around with that for some time i just
>>export
>>>>the tracks in the project tempo.
>>>>
>>>>Vegas
>>>>After i have exported all my sounds in to one folder I
>>>>start by setting Vegas to the right timing and set the
>>grid
>>>>to the desired resolution.
>>>>After that i start pulling in some of the sounds and
>>since
>>>>i have made sure in Acid that they pretty much work
>>>>together this is still a very open project and i can
>>still
>>>>change my mind and take another direction if i want.
>>>>
>>>>(*For me the most important thing is keeping the flow,
>>>>after having worked with MIDI and samplers for a few
>>years
>>>>i started to get very frustrated about the fact that if
i
>>>>spent alot of time cutting a beat in Recycle (sending
to
>>>>the sampler/ doing all the programming) and then i
might
>>>>decide it doesnt work or i am bored and want to take it
>>to
>>>>another direction then i would be very time consuming
and
>>>>it would totally break the flow*)
>>>>
>>>>After getting down a basic structure i start recording
>>some
>>>>of my synths into the mix using NO MIDI at all , i just
>>>>play them and record.
>>>>If it works it works if not i record until it does.
>>>>To me this is very different from the MIDI world where
i
>>>>might spend hours getting the right slider movements
and
>>>>opening the filter at just the right moment , dont get
me
>>>>wrong that is very nice BUT i would rather spend time
>>>>getting the song together then spending hours tweaking
>>>>stuff.
>>>>Again its a question of keeping flow!
>>>>
>>>>When i have got the basics down for the track i use
OPEN
>>In
>>>>Soundforge extensively to take existing samples and
tweAk
>>>>them or doing alternative versions of the samples i am
>>>>using.
>>>>I make a new folder called edits and now I start doing
>>>>edits of various sounds and bring them into the mix to
>>have
>>>>a bit more options and some stuff to play with.
>>>>
>>>>DRUM PROGRAMMING
>>>>
>>>>What i do is that after i have got the basic track
>>together
>>>>i take the drum loop that started the track and open it
>>in
>>>>Recycle and cut it to pieces and from there i just
export
>>>>it as wave files and guess what! If you select all the
>>>>pieces in the Vegas Explorer and bring them all in to a
>>>>track they line up in such a manner that they play just
>>as
>>>>the original loop, but you have all the pieces and then
>>its
>>>>just a matter of setting the grid to a desired value
and
>>>>start shuffling the pieces around (very much like a
MIDI
>>>>sequencer except its faster and more creative as in the
>>you
>>>>can esily put all the snares on one track and the
hihats
>>on
>>>>another.Usually this cost me all the eight outputs of
my
>>>>sampler and its nowhere near as effective.)
>>>>
>>>>SEMI-AUTOMATED-FX or at least Dynamic Direct FX!!
>>>>
>>>>After working with samplers for a long time i started
to
>>>>miss the fact that i could program filter sweeps and
all
>>>>kind of fx with midi and i started to be a bit pissed
>>about
>>>>the fact that you cant automate the fx in Vegas .
>>>>So what i do is I bounce the stuff i want to filter or
>>mess
>>>>with, be it a drum track or the whole mix (a la Disco
>>>>House) and I run the sound on a soloed track and i set
>>>>Soundforge in record mode and record when i am messing
>>with
>>>>the plugin .
>>>>Quite simple and quite effective!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Anyways ....Bottom line!
>>>>
>>>>I do have access to Pro-Tools and even though the
>>>>routing/Recording ,effects and a few other things are
>>more
>>>>powerful...to me NOTHING is as intuitive and creative
as
>>>>working with these three programs together and i
>>emphasize
>>>>the word Together!
>>>>
>>>>I use Soundforge,Acid and Vegas for all my production
and
>>i
>>>>am loving it! (I havent turned on my Emu-6400 sampler
for
>>5
>>>>months now...I´m serious!)
>>>>
>>>>If you want to have a listen to some of my productions
>>then
>>>>just use copy and paste this link in your browser!
>>>>
>>>>http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/121/drheckle__mrjive.htm
l
>>>>
>>>>Im hoping to see other forum users talk about their
>>>>productions and techniques as i think this is the
perfect
>>>>place for that and not just for complaining:)
>>>>
>>>>Thanks
>>>>Arnar
>>>>
>>>>

So you can dice up a mono full kit drum loop into
individual parts, snare, kick etc? If so that's amazing.
Must use frequency specific extraction or something. I use
a lot of acid loops and get frustrated because the kick
pattern is right but the snare isn't, or I want a ride
cymbal instead of hats etc. (I've tried using RADS which
is a bunch of individual patterns, hats, kick and snare,
etc, but those loops are very stiff, everything right on
the beat like a drum machine with dead on quantization.)
Will Recycle let me extract individual parts from a mono
drum loop? Thanks.

Erich


Arnar Helgi wrote:
>>well..... Recycle will not let you break down a Stereo
kit
>>but Wavesurgeon will! The problem being the fact that its
>>harder to find Zero crossings on both channels at the
same
>>time!!
>>But dont get me wrong ....!! you have to cut´em up and
>>then place them on seperate tracks in vegas *It will not
>>make a seperate file which only contains the snares or
toms
>>as the only thing you would gain in that is seperate
>>tracks...which is nice but the main thing is being able
to
>>reprogram the original loop!
>>
>>Erich Grube wrote:
>>>>>>DRUM PROGRAMMING
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What i do is that after i have got the basic track
>>>>together
>>>>>>i take the drum loop that started the track and open
it
>>>>in
>>>>>>Recycle and cut it to pieces and from there i just
>>export
>>>>>>it as wave files and guess what! If you select all
the
>>>>>>pieces in the Vegas Explorer and bring them all in to
a
>>>>>>track they line up in such a manner that they play
just
>>>>as
>>>>>>the original loop, but you have all the pieces and
then
>>>>its
>>>>>>just a matter of setting the grid to a desired value
>>and
>>>>>>start shuffling the pieces around (very much like a
>>MIDI
>>>>>>sequencer except its faster and more creative as in
the
>>>>you
>>>>>>can esily put all the snares on one track and the
>>hihats
>>>>on
>>>>>>another.Usually this cost me all the eight outputs of
>>my
>>>>>>sampler and its nowhere near as effective.)
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Are you saying that Recycler will take a stereo drum
>>loop,
>>>>i.e full kit, and allow you to break it down into
>>>>individual parts, i.e. hats, kick, snare, cymbals,
>>toms....
>>>>that you then import back into individual tracks in
Vegas?
>>>>
>>>>Erich Gruber
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Arnar Helgi wrote:
>>>>>>After being a bit disappointed about the video
>>functions
>>>>in
>>>>>>VegasVideo and displaying my disappointment here in
the
>>>>>>forum i think its only fair that i talk a bit about
the
>>>>>>good sides of SonicFoundry Products!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The best way for me to do that is to talk a bit about
>>how
>>>>i
>>>>>>use these products and admit to the fact that i use
>>ONLY
>>>>>>Sonic Foundry products in all my music production.
>>>>>>After that you can (if you want) check out some of my
>>>>work
>>>>>>by using the link supplied below.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>MUSIC PRODUCTION.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>All the sounds are initially synced to the same tempo
>>in
>>>>>>Acid as i use acid only to preview the samples i have
>>and
>>>>>>to get an idea for what works together.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Then i do edits in Soundforge and produce and mix the
>>>>song
>>>>>>in Vegas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>ACID
>>>>>>I dont try to make songs in acid, i only make one or
>>two
>>>>>>bars and then maybe i use like 40-50 tracks which i
>>mute
>>>>>>and unmute and then i maybe have material for two or
>>>>three
>>>>>>songs in that one project and i dont need to decide
the
>>>>>>direction i want to take just yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>After playing around with that for some time i just
>>>>export
>>>>>>the tracks in the project tempo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Vegas
>>>>>>After i have exported all my sounds in to one folder
I
>>>>>>start by setting Vegas to the right timing and set
the
>>>>grid
>>>>>>to the desired resolution.
>>>>>>After that i start pulling in some of the sounds and
>>>>since
>>>>>>i have made sure in Acid that they pretty much work
>>>>>>together this is still a very open project and i can
>>>>still
>>>>>>change my mind and take another direction if i want.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>(*For me the most important thing is keeping the
flow,
>>>>>>after having worked with MIDI and samplers for a few
>>>>years
>>>>>>i started to get very frustrated about the fact that
if
>>i
>>>>>>spent alot of time cutting a beat in Recycle (sending
>>to
>>>>>>the sampler/ doing all the programming) and then i
>>might
>>>>>>decide it doesnt work or i am bored and want to take
it
>>>>to
>>>>>>another direction then i would be very time consuming
>>and
>>>>>>it would totally break the flow*)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>After getting down a basic structure i start
recording
>>>>some
>>>>>>of my synths into the mix using NO MIDI at all , i
just
>>>>>>play them and record.
>>>>>>If it works it works if not i record until it does.
>>>>>>To me this is very different from the MIDI world
where
>>i
>>>>>>might spend hours getting the right slider movements
>>and
>>>>>>opening the filter at just the right moment , dont
get
>>me
>>>>>>wrong that is very nice BUT i would rather spend time
>>>>>>getting the song together then spending hours
tweaking
>>>>>>stuff.
>>>>>>Again its a question of keeping flow!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>When i have got the basics down for the track i use
>>OPEN
>>>>In
>>>>>>Soundforge extensively to take existing samples and
>>tweAk
>>>>>>them or doing alternative versions of the samples i
am
>>>>>>using.
>>>>>>I make a new folder called edits and now I start
doing
>>>>>>edits of various sounds and bring them into the mix
to
>>>>have
>>>>>>a bit more options and some stuff to play with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>DRUM PROGRAMMING
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What i do is that after i have got the basic track
>>>>together
>>>>>>i take the drum loop that started the track and open
it
>>>>in
>>>>>>Recycle and cut it to pieces and from there i just
>>export
>>>>>>it as wave files and guess what! If you select all
the
>>>>>>pieces in the Vegas Explorer and bring them all in to
a
>>>>>>track they line up in such a manner that they play
just
>>>>as
>>>>>>the original loop, but you have all the pieces and
then
>>>>its
>>>>>>just a matter of setting the grid to a desired value
>>and
>>>>>>start shuffling the pieces around (very much like a
>>MIDI
>>>>>>sequencer except its faster and more creative as in
the
>>>>you
>>>>>>can esily put all the snares on one track and the
>>hihats
>>>>on
>>>>>>another.Usually this cost me all the eight outputs of
>>my
>>>>>>sampler and its nowhere near as effective.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>SEMI-AUTOMATED-FX or at least Dynamic Direct FX!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>After working with samplers for a long time i started
>>to
>>>>>>miss the fact that i could program filter sweeps and
>>all
>>>>>>kind of fx with midi and i started to be a bit pissed
>>>>about
>>>>>>the fact that you cant automate the fx in Vegas .
>>>>>>So what i do is I bounce the stuff i want to filter
or
>>>>mess
>>>>>>with, be it a drum track or the whole mix (a la Disco
>>>>>>House) and I run the sound on a soloed track and i
set
>>>>>>Soundforge in record mode and record when i am
messing
>>>>with
>>>>>>the plugin .
>>>>>>Quite simple and quite effective!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Anyways ....Bottom line!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I do have access to Pro-Tools and even though the
>>>>>>routing/Recording ,effects and a few other things are
>>>>more
>>>>>>powerful...to me NOTHING is as intuitive and creative
>>as
>>>>>>working with these three programs together and i
>>>>emphasize
>>>>>>the word Together!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I use Soundforge,Acid and Vegas for all my productio

Well it doesnt use frequency specific extraction, what it
does is just cut up the loop into pieces which of course
you could in Soundforge but this Recycle program make it
very easy as well as the fact that if you use MIDI it will
make a MIDI file of the cuts so you can load the cuts into
your sampler and by playing back the MIDI file in a program
like Cubase it will play the loop just like the original
but its actually just playing the pieces .......and get
this ...because you now have the loop in pieces you can do
a "Match Quantise" in Cubase to mtch the groove of your
MIDI tracks to the loop or Vice Versa!