using vegas pro on hi resolution displays

trojanrobmc wrote on 6/19/2015, 11:19 AM
Hi everyone,

I've seen this topic on another thread, but no real answer. I just bought a computer with a 3200 x 1800 display, and sony vegas is not scaled properly. The icons are TINY.

I've read that users who change the "manifest" in the exe file have been able to set dpiaware to "false" and have had some success. But I don't know how to do this. Can someone please give me a helping hand as far as how to work through the process? I'm not familiar with Visual Studio, although I do have it installed, but perhaps there's another way.

Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Rob

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ddm wrote on 6/19/2015, 12:59 PM
>>>I've read that users who change the "manifest" in the exe file have been able to set dpiaware to "false" and have had some success. But I don't know how to do this

Not sure I follow what you're saying, but... to change the properties of Vegas... one way is if you already have a vegas icon on your desktop, you can right click on it, choose "properties", choose the "compatibility" tab, check the box that says "disable display scaling on high dpi settings".

If you don't have a shortcut icon on your desktop, you can go to the vegas.exe file itself, in explorer and right click on it to achieve the same result. Vegas.exe is usually in the c:\programs\sony\vegas pro 13 folder.

Not sure I know what you mean by changing the "manifest", I do know that this high dpi setting has solved many users similar problems.
balazer wrote on 6/19/2015, 4:14 PM
Have you tried setting the text size in the Display control panel of Windows? "Make it easier to read what's on your screen. You can change the size of text and other items on your screen"

I have it set to 150%. You'd probably need a custom DPI setting even higher than that for your display. Vegas does scale its icons based on this setting, though certain parts of the interface become unusable due to bad scaling, e.g., the Titles and Text media generator properties.
alan278 wrote on 8/5/2015, 10:49 AM
I have not been able to get fixes to work either. The icons still show very tiny, virtually unusable without the magnifier.

Coming up with a work-around that results in ".... certain parts of the interface become unusable due to bad scaling, e.g., the Titles and Text media generator properties." is not an acceptable solution, but may be the best that can be achieved. This is horrible - an expensive software product.... I've been using it since it was owned by Sonic Foundry and it always worked great on all my equipment.

i have read about changing the manifest which i think is different than the compatibility property.
From what I can gather, somehow vegas is telling windows that it DOES know how to scale DPI to a hidef display, when in actuality it clearly does NOT. Changing the manifest results in vegas telling windows that it does NOT know how to scale, and windows then scales it correctly.

But, as with the OP, I do not know how to change the manifest, and I don't have Visual Studio (typically referenced in posts on how to change the manifest of the (vegas) .exe file).

So, anyone have any ideas?

Sony is no help on this matter. They should take action as Adobe and other software providers have done.

Although I've tried ddm's suggestion below, I will try it again, as apparently is has worked for others....

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=912886
I saw this on my laptop under Windows 8 and found that by checking a box in the Properties box (right click on Vegas icon and then click on "compatibility") named "Disable display scaling on high DPI settings" fixed that particular problem.
Additionally, once you get the partially covered menus issue fixed (if that fixes it), then you can also play around with the "Make text and other items larger or smaller" setting in the "Screen Resolution" screen, accessed by right clicking anywhere on the desktop and choosing "Screen Resolution" to fine tune font sizes etc. Hope that does the trick. that screen resolution sounds great if you can get it to a functional state.
TheHappyFriar wrote on 8/5/2015, 1:40 PM
I thought he point of a higher res display is to fit more pixels in the same size area as a lower res. :?

Why not just hook up a 2nd monitor, have the primary one be all that stuff that you want "bigger" & the high res one the stuff you don't care, like the preview windows, volume meters, scopes, etc.

That's what I put on my higher res monitors, all the stuff that I want to fit on the screen w/o switching tabs.
alan278 wrote on 8/5/2015, 2:11 PM
Thank you for getting back, and I appreciate the suggestions.

I've seen solutions calling for new monitors, a new laptop with reduced resolution, use of the windows magnifier, better glasses etc These are all work-arounds that do not resolve the issue.

Most programs scale properly. Sony Vegas does not.

Until Sony fixes it, I'm looking for a way to force it to.

To answer your questions...

Yes, one advantage to higher rez is fitting more into a set physical size screen. In many cases this works out well. For example, one can put 2,3, or 4 different windows on a screen and be able to work with them at the same time.

Vegas requires a lot of screen real estate. If it didn't, I'd be able to run it in a corner while keeping other windows open (browser, photoshop, whatever...)

I originally had a 720p laptop which simply did not provide enough room (pixels) to work in vegas. So I "upgraded" and the new machine has 3200x1800 or something like that. (Apparently I over-compensated - this one has too many pixels for Vegas!)
The new high-res laptop screen works great on all my apps other than Vegas. Most of the Vegas app window is acceptable, but the icons are way too small.

2nd monitor? That's a good work-around, and it's exactly what I have been doing. I take a standard 1080p monitor and attach to my laptop and work from there. However, it's only when I'm working with Sony Vegas that I need to do that. Seems a little silly to have to do that, and I lose the ability to use Vegas on the road. I am not an editor by profession, I only use Vegas occasionally.

I'd prefer for Vegas to scale correctly when there is high DPI, as most other apps do. It would be easier for me and other users. Seems if Adobe and other companies have been able to do it, it should not be difficult for Sony.

IMHO.



astar wrote on 8/5/2015, 2:17 PM
Apparently one of the features of Win10 is a improved display scaling, or display scaling on a per monitor basis.

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/4597/windows-10-feature-focus-display-scaling

Chienworks wrote on 8/5/2015, 4:08 PM
"The icons still show very tiny, virtually unusable without the magnifier."

<tongue_in_cheek_mode>

How about installing Vegas Movie Studio 13? All the users in the Studio forum keep complaining about how the icons are way too huge!

</tongue_in_cheek_mode>
alan278 wrote on 8/5/2015, 4:11 PM
Well, the Vegas User Community is not only smart and technically proficient, but also, of course, very creative...
TheHappyFriar wrote on 8/5/2015, 7:16 PM
If you increase the icon/text size & fill up the screen with extra windows you will still obscure icons/text like you would if you used a lower res monitor. The borders of the windows will be thinner & you could fit a higher res preview window in the same spot, but once you increase all the fonts & icons that's your only advantage. Scaling everything else will be just like lowering the resolution.

What is the size of that screen? You say laptop, so it's a 15/17/19 inch? If so, I sympathize with you. That res at that DPI would be annoying!

It's the same "issue" as with Windows 3.1 & the 1024x768 displays way back when. Everything was soooo tiny. :)
Chienworks wrote on 8/6/2015, 6:42 AM
I remember how elated i was way back when i discovered a video driver update that allowed me to run my 13" CRT at 1280x1024! At last i could fit everything i wanted on the screen. My cow-orkers all complained that it was too tiny to read, to which i responded that the only one who had to read my screen was me, and they could go look at their own 640x480 screens if they wanted to. Of course, being the IT manager, i had by then upgraded everyone else to 17" LCDs and could see their annoyingly huge pixels from across the room.
et-garv wrote on 9/22/2016, 3:36 PM

Does anybody know if Vegas version 14 will address this lack of compatibility issue?  HD displays are becoming quite common and it's still really bad.  

NickHope wrote on 9/23/2016, 1:28 AM

Does anybody know if Vegas version 14 will address this lack of compatibility issue?  HD displays are becoming quite common and it's still really bad.  

It's still "really bad" in what software and with what display?

From the VP14 release notes (which I can't find online, but are in the VP14 installation):

"Improved support for HiDPI displays. WIndows 8.1 or Windows 10 is recommended when using a HiDPI display."

I also recall that it was referred to in some of the pre-release marketing information

I don't have a display with higher res than 1920x1200 so I can't test it personally. Can anyone else confirm if this is fixed now?

Or_Toltec_Tal wrote on 1/11/2017, 11:57 AM

Guys is there any way to bring back the original VP13 icons. new icons look like a toy and overscaled. Thanks!

Marco. wrote on 1/11/2017, 2:21 PM

Or_Toltec_Tal, please stay on-topic. This is about using Vegas Pro on hi resolution displays.

OldSmoke wrote on 1/11/2017, 2:23 PM

Guys is there any way to bring back the original VP13 icons.

I would like to know that too!

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

Kit-As-Was wrote on 1/11/2017, 5:54 PM

And me!

Or_Toltec_Tal wrote on 1/11/2017, 6:05 PM
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Or_Toltec_Tal, please stay on-topic. This is about using Vegas Pro on hi resolution displays.

Hello Marco I use Vegas on 5k Monitor and the icons look super ugly. Like a child toy and too big. That's why I'm asking :)

NickHope wrote on 1/11/2017, 10:19 PM

Guys is there any way to bring back the original VP13 icons.

No

TheHappyFriar wrote on 1/14/2017, 7:12 AM

Learning keyboard shortcuts is the best option. Tons of people successfully used wordperfect back in the 90's & didn't need icons, just knowledge of KB shortcut keys & a quick reference guide to learn with. One you learn KB shortcuts most icons & mouse motions just waste time.

JJKizak wrote on 1/14/2017, 11:00 AM

Learning keyboard shortcuts is the best option. Tons of people successfully used wordperfect back in the 90's & didn't need icons, just knowledge of KB shortcut keys & a quick reference guide to learn with. One you learn KB shortcuts most icons & mouse motions just waste time.


I always did like DOS.

JJK

IrishNachos wrote on 3/5/2022, 5:47 PM

FIXED: I realize this is an old thread but I've had this issue and it drives me crazy, BUT, here's how I fixed it. There are 2 methods, if one doesn't work try the other. First, update your GPU drivers. This works 90% of the time for me. I'm using an AMD Ryzen 5700 and there's been a new update every 2 weeks for the past few months. If this doesn't solve the scaling issue I go to my Display settings and check which resolution I'm set on. I have a 4K monitor and if the resolution is set below 4K I get scaling issues. I set the resolution to 4k, restart Vegas Pro then click the FX plugin. If it's still too large use your mouse to grab the bottom of the window and drag it up - the entire window will resize to whatever you want. Yay!