V17 MP4 video render goes black after 30 secs, audio continues; V14 ok

john-romein wrote on 4/20/2020, 5:18 PM

Been using Vegas lightly for many years....so not new to Vegas but not a power user.

Very simple project... Created a video track and used the credit roll feature and added music lyrics into the credit roll. Then I loaded the MP4 of the musician playing the song (tracks 2 (video) & 3(audio)). Rendered into MP4 the video with lyrics. Every time, and I've tried a few render templates, the render will go fine for about 38 seconds and then the video of the MP4 (musician) goes black....music and lyrics continue fine and render completes "fine". Created the same project in Vegas Pro 14....no problem rendering!!

Turned off GPU processing....did not solve it.

Anyone else experiencing this?

Mediainfo for the file where the video goes black after 38 seconds:

General
Complete name                            : R:\Business RAW\files\2020\20-04-18 Larry Bowen music video\20200418_132020.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                                 : mp42 (isom/mp42)
File size                                : 401 MiB
Duration                                 : 4 min 34 s
Overall bit rate                         : 12.3 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-04-18 15:24:55
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-04-18 15:24:55
xyz                                      : +49.2234-122.6912/
com.android.version                      : 7.1.1

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : Baseline@L3.1
Format settings                          : 1 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : No
Format settings, RefFrames               : 1 frame
Format settings, GOP                     : M=1, N=30
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 4 min 34 s
Source duration                          : 4 min 34 s
Bit rate                                 : 12.0 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 280 pixels
Height                                   : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Variable
Frame rate                               : 29.875 FPS
Minimum frame rate                       : 17.797 FPS
Maximum frame rate                       : 30.070 FPS
Standard                                 : NTSC
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.436
Stream size                              : 392 MiB (98%)
Source stream size                       : 392 MiB (98%)
Title                                    : VideoHandle
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-04-18 15:24:55
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-04-18 15:24:55
Color range                              : Full
Color primaries                          : BT.601 NTSC
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.601
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.601
mdhd_Duration                            : 274051
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 4 min 34 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 256 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 8.36 MiB (2%)
Title                                    : SoundHandle
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-04-18 15:24:55
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-04-18 15:24:55

Computer specs: Intel i5-4570 3.20GHhz, 32GB RAM, video card Geforce GTX 760, Win 10 Pro

Vegas Pro: v17 build 421; v14 build 270

Comments

j-v wrote on 4/20/2020, 5:35 PM

Vegas does not like video's with variable framerate and special the one with so much difference as yours.
A solution is to convert such a file to constant framerate

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john-romein wrote on 4/21/2020, 1:08 PM

Thanks j-v.

I took your advice and converted the MP4 to constant framerate before dropping onto the Vegas timeline.

Before dropping on the timeline, I reset the project properties to another random setting, cleared any previous files in the project and then dropped the new constant rate file on the timeline....Vegas asked to change the project settings to match the MP4...said yes. When rendering the file out to a MAGIX MP4 preset, the resulting MP4 had the same issue as before!! The lyrics (credit roll) and music (from MP4) continue fine, but the video goes black after 15 seconds (different each time). I'm still puzzled as to why ver14 works perfectly...and ver17 does not work!

Here's the mediainfo for the constant framerate MP4:

General
Complete name                            : R:\Business RAW\files\2020\20-04-18 Larry Bowen music video\20200418_132020-constant high bitrate.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media
Codec ID                                 : isom (isom/iso2/avc1/mp41)
File size                                : 81.9 MiB
Duration                                 : 4 min 34 s
Overall bit rate                         : 2 508 kb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-04-21 02:23:46
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-04-21 02:23:46
Writing application                      : Lavf58.42.100

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4.1
Format settings                          : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, RefFrames               : 4 frames
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 4 min 34 s
Bit rate                                 : 2 243 kb/s
Width                                    : 1 280 pixels
Height                                   : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 29.880 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.081
Stream size                              : 73.3 MiB (89%)
Title                                    : VideoHandle
Writing library                          : x264 core 159
Encoding settings                        : cabac=1 / ref=2 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x132 / me=hex / subme=6 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=6 / lookahead_threads=1 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=1 / keyint=300 / keyint_min=30 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=30 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=20.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=3 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-04-21 02:23:46
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-04-21 02:23:46
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 4 min 34 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 257 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 8.39 MiB (10%)
Title                                    : SoundHandle
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : Yes
Alternate group                          : 1
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-04-21 02:23:46
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-04-21 02:23:46

j-v wrote on 4/21/2020, 2:07 PM

Sorry, but than I have no idea what the reason can be reading your information.
Maybe we can help you if you place your veg and the used media on a cloudserve so we can download it ( or I alone , but only by P.M.) and can try to find what goes wrong.

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Camera : Pan X900, GoPro Hero7 Hero Black, DJI Osmo Pocket, Samsung Galaxy A8
Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W11 home version 24H2, i7 9700 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti with driver
566.14 Studiodriver and Intel HD graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Laptop  :Asus ROG Str G712L, W11 home version 23H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Studiodriver 576.02 and Intel UHD Graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

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fr0sty wrote on 4/21/2020, 7:17 PM

There's 2 spots you can turn off GPU processing now, look in the file i/o tab in preferences and make sure GPU decoding is off.

john-romein wrote on 4/22/2020, 12:45 AM

Thanks j-v and frosty!

I was not aware of the 2 GPU switch ....turned off the file i/o GPU switch and all the files rendered fine!

Over the years I've encounter many strange issues that a cured by turning off the GPU's. I wish an error would actually pop up telling you there has been an error in the GPU.

Thanks again! 😀😀

fr0sty wrote on 4/22/2020, 1:00 AM

If you have not tried updating to the latest studio driver from Nvidia, try that and see if you're able to turn that stuff back on, because it does make a big difference in the playback performance you get when editing.

Edit: Nevermind, I see you only have a Geforce 760, that does not support hardware decoding, which is what was causing your issue. Upgrading your GPU will give you much better performance, so keep that in mind for the future.

Last changed by fr0sty on 4/22/2020, 1:02 AM, changed a total of 1 times.

Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

john-romein wrote on 4/22/2020, 9:40 AM

Before all this virus thing hit....I was planning on upgrading the computer. Now that has been moved into the future.

fr0sty wrote on 4/22/2020, 6:00 PM

In the exact same boat... however, at least you know what to do in order to get better performance once things stabilize. I'd start with the GPU upgrade, then work on the other components from there... as the GPU will give you the most immediate bang for your buck and will work just fine with your current system.

Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)