V20 imports iphone file differently to V21 - Possible Bug?

andyrpsmith wrote on 12/4/2023, 1:01 PM

Iphone file imports into V20 with pixel format square, V21 imports it as 1.3333(HDV 1080).

Media info:

General
Complete name : E:\Video\Bognor 2023\Iphone Bognor\IMG_4630.MOV
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : QuickTime
Codec ID : qt 0000.00 (qt )
File size : 3.92 MiB
Duration : 2 s 798 ms
Overall bit rate : 11.7 Mb/s
Frame rate : 29.286 FPS
Encoded date : 2023-09-01 14:03:45 UTC
Tagged date : 2023-09-01 14:03:46 UTC
Writing library : Apple QuickTime
com.apple.quicktime.location.accuracy.ho : 20.000000
com.apple.quicktime.live-photo.auto : 1
com.apple.quicktime.content.identifier : 019FE930-049C-4749-8AD4-00CE0279444C
com.apple.quicktime.live-photo.vitality- : 1.000
com.apple.quicktime.live-photo.vitality- : 4
com.apple.quicktime.location.ISO6709 : +50.7815-000.6779+005.017/
com.apple.quicktime.make : Apple
com.apple.quicktime.model : iPhone SE (2nd generation)
com.apple.quicktime.software : 16.6
com.apple.quicktime.creationdate : 2023-09-01T15:03:44+0100

Video
ID : 1
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main@L5@Main
Codec ID : hvc1
Codec ID/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration : 2 s 798 ms
Bit rate : 10.9 Mb/s
Width : 1 920 pixels
Clean aperture width : 1 744 pixels
Height : 1 440 pixels
Clean aperture height : 1 308 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 4:3
Rotation : 90°
Frame rate mode : Variable
Frame rate : 29.286 FPS
Minimum frame rate : 15.000 FPS
Maximum frame rate : 30.000 FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.135
Stream size : 3.65 MiB (93%)
Title : Core Media Video
Encoded date : 2023-09-01 14:03:45 UTC
Tagged date : 2023-09-01 14:03:46 UTC
Color range : Full
Color primaries : Display P3
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.601
Metas : 3,4,5
Codec configuration box : hvcC

Audio
ID : 2
Format : PCM
Format settings : Little / Signed
Codec ID : lpcm
Duration : 2 s 798 ms
Source duration : 2 s 800 ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 705.6 kb/s
Channel(s) : 1 channel
Sampling rate : 44.1 kHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Stream size : 241 KiB (6%)
Source stream size : 241 KiB (6%)
Title : Core Media Audio
Encoded date : 2023-09-01 14:03:45 UTC
Tagged date : 2023-09-01 14:03:46 UTC

Other #1
ID : 3
Type : meta
Format : mebx
Codec ID : mebx
Duration : 2 s 798 ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Title : Core Media Metadata
Encoded date : 2023-09-01 14:03:45 UTC
Tagged date : 2023-09-01 14:03:46 UTC

Other #2
ID : 4
Type : meta
Format : mebx
Codec ID : mebx
Duration : 2 s 798 ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Title : Core Media Metadata
Encoded date : 2023-09-01 14:03:45 UTC
Tagged date : 2023-09-01 14:03:46 UTC

Other #3
ID : 5
Type : meta
Format : mebx
Codec ID : mebx
Duration : 1 s 302 ms
Source duration : 2 ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Source stream size : 105 Bytes
Title : Core Media Metadata
Encoded date : 2023-09-01 14:03:45 UTC
Tagged date : 2023-09-01 14:03:46 UTC

V20 image:

V21 image:

I can modify it in V21 by properties pixel aspect ratio change to square, but why the difference when importing the same VEG.

Comments

Former user wrote on 12/4/2023, 1:43 PM

@andyrpsmith Hi, my phone no longer does 4:3, my Gopro does but it's a different size so this is the best i can do,

4:3 with a 90º rotation, not the best being dark but It looks correct

Can you share your clip?

john_dennis wrote on 12/4/2023, 3:48 PM

@andyrpsmith

Read this:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/event-media-pixel-aspect-ratio-weirdness-vegas-17-18--123872/

andyrpsmith wrote on 12/4/2023, 4:20 PM

Many thanks for the replies. Tried the solution by VegasNeal1, but V21 (trial) did not save the pixel change and keeps loading the 1.3333 aspect each time, while V20 does not. Maybe you cannot save the change in a trial version. Wonder why V21 is doing this and V20 does not? (Every year Magix has sent me an offer to upgrade but this year they have not so I am yet to move to V21).

Former user wrote on 12/4/2023, 4:27 PM

@john_dennis

He had prepared his media in a photo editor to match the dimensions of the project. 1920x1080 for 16:9 stills and 1440 x 1080 for 4:3 stills. The 1440 x 1080 stills appear to me to have triggered a pixel aspect ratio decision in Vegas that caused the media to be stretched until the properties of the media were changed manually.

To verify my conclusion, I prepared 4:3 media as follows:

One .jpg was cropped, but not resized, yielding dimensions 4864 x 3648. The same .jpg was also resized to 1440 x 1080

I can't replicate that in a 1920x1080 or a 3840x2160 project,

john_dennis wrote on 12/4/2023, 7:26 PM

@andyrpsmith said: "Wonder why V21 is doing this and V20 does not?"

The shade-tree cynical diagnostician responds:

It's possible that every coder on the planet opens a new build of any software and, as soon as the seat of her office chair starts to warm, forgets that people used software in past to actually get things done without adjusting the properties of every clip on the timeline.

Since you have a camera that produces output that will affect you continuously,

open a problem ticket with Magix.
Mark your post (Bug) in the title.

@Former user said: "I can't replicate that in a 1920x1080 or a 3840x2160 project"

Perhaps, there is a fix in place for stills, but, not for video.

Click on my ugly mug and see my 2021 Update comment under My Interests. Except that I remember the issue in the past, it is probably number 173 on my current list of things to agonize over.

Former user wrote on 12/4/2023, 7:37 PM

@john_dennis Hi,

Perhaps, there is a fix in place for stills, but, not for video.

I already tried a video but can't replicate the OPs so maybe there's something different that his vid affects in Vegas,

john_dennis wrote on 12/4/2023, 9:35 PM

@andyrpsmith

With variable frame rate such as this...

Frame rate                               : 29.286 FPS
Minimum frame rate                       : 15.000 FPS
Maximum frame rate                       : 30.000 FPS

... I am curious as to how these clips play on the Vegas timeline.

you asked: "...why the difference when importing the same VEG."

Have you right clicked on the clip on the timeline in each version to see which decoder is being used for each Vegas Pro version?

I might consider conforming the frame rate to a constant in Shutter Encoder before adding to the Vegas timeline.

Could you share a copy of a file from that camera on One Drive, Google Drive, Dropbox, etc. and post the link here?

john_dennis wrote on 12/4/2023, 10:00 PM

@Former user

I rendered videos with the pixel dimensions from the Mediainfo report posted earlier, 1308 x 1744, 1440 x 1920, 1744x1308 and 1920 x 1440. No rotation information and none of the iphone meta data were included. I was unable to reproduce the behavior with video in Vegas Pro 21-187, either.

Former user wrote on 12/4/2023, 10:22 PM

@john_dennis 👍 Yep, I didn't try rendering anything I was just using the only two cameras I have, a GoPro 11 & Samsung S23 Ultra, only the Gopro does 4:3. I think we need to try @andyrpsmith's file & see if we get the same result as him.