V5 media management SportsAnthology workflow

wethree wrote on 2/18/2005, 6:51 PM
I'm helping a sports producer convert his already darn fast BetaSP workflow for a 30 min sports show to an even faster V5-based flow.

Can any of you sports cutters speed up the logging/batch capture approach outlined below?

The chief objectives being most time efficient logging for a 4 segment-based, 30 min program which also assures safe/complete batch capture.

The reel sources are Elements, Studio, Airshow, Inbump, Highlights - all delivered on BetaSP

The other sources are completed Packages, and are delivered on DV.

The current BetaSP Logging procedure:
1) Fast forward tape to end of Studio standups, then back into Standup sequences --so that best(typically last takes) are backed into first, captured and then reverse jogged over (rewinding) to quickly go to the next Standup.
Problem: Wasn't sure V5-based setup could capture tc and provide deck control forBetaSP-based batch capture. (Haven't gone to the Convergent Design url Spot just gave me, but I will right after writing this to see if this is a go.)

2) Clips are logged for batch capture by SegmentNumber_SegmentName_(intro, throw,lead)_(a,b,c) so when they are searched alphabetically, they come up in correct numeric order, at the top of bin list.
Problem: Would advanced VidCap or Scenalyzer be better equipped to deliver precise logging and safe batch capture and re-capture.

3) Any other hidden strengths V5 might in this quick cutting arena that will speak to a Sports Producer used to NO RENDERING (coming from edit*6) and quick deadline/turnaround?

What I've done to this point is to build a region-based template of the show, broken down into its segment components -- and I see possibilities in a region-based logging/capture where whole highlights tapes are captured and then region clipped out in the trimmer, but I wanted to check in with the sports cutters using vegas -- so as not to have to completely reinvent the wheel. And we can't lose this great guy to......avid express.

thanks all and




wethree wrote on 2/18/2005, 7:28 PM
Wow Spot!

Convergent Designs box and the Broadcast training article are right on the money-- Now the devil in the details...

Now all I need is the most broadcast-friendly, streamlined media management/logging workflow for V5-based edting in a quick turnaround, no-rendering please environment where meticulous archiving is also demanded....

Can y'all deep into the art and science of media management for the fast and furious chime in to help an editor who wants to run with station cutters-- or at least help em take a measured 2nd or 3rd look at Vegas.


rcampbel wrote on 2/19/2005, 8:00 AM

One of the features of the Veggie Toolkit is the Media Manager tool. It provides an interface for clip logging and import of text file clips logs into the Vegas media pool for recapture by Vegas Capture.

You might want to take a look and see if it would help. If you find that it is close, but you need enhancements, don't hesitate to ask. You will find my email address on the Veggie Toolkit web site.

wethree wrote on 2/19/2005, 11:30 AM
thanks Randall, I'll be taking veggie toolbox for a test drive today.

But if any of you TV fast cutters that might be using veggie toolkit want to chime in on how to most inventively apply this log tool (or an overview of even how best to think about it) for 30 min and 60min TV, segment-based, quick turnaround-- I'm all ears-- and I'll be trying to find a way to pay it forward in return.

thanks Randall for ref to veggie toolkit-- I've scanned the users guide-- (your site is terrific-- and my only recommendation in adding to its content, might be to provide some stellar examples of Veggie Toolkit being applied in the various fields razor-sharp media management is a must: Broadcast- sports, news) Perhaps, if I can grok VT fast enough, I could be among the first to provide one of those examples... I can be a pretty slow study sometimes tho.

So bottom line, unless I've overlooked em, examples of using VT in specific contexts would help me better see the immediate advantage to employing it.

Thanks for your help and work in developing VT, Randall.


johnmeyer wrote on 2/19/2005, 12:21 PM
For speeding up the cutting, you might try my "cuts-only" editng scripts:

Cuts only editing scripts

Also, as far as media management, I had several discussions about how I do this for sports videos:

More on Media Management

Long Project Workflow
wethree wrote on 2/19/2005, 5:19 PM
thanks John, the outline of the LF project you described fits closely with another project in the wings-- thanks much for the work put into the two scripts you refer here to and for sharing them with excellent documentation.


rcampbel wrote on 2/19/2005, 10:39 PM
Thanks for the comments bt. I would love to put up some examples, perhaps you can be the first to provide one. Most of the current users using VT for clip logging are doing corporate video or independent projects.

Most of the media management function ideas have come directly from end users, so if you have ideas that you would like to have incorporated in VT, just email me via my web site.

Look luck!