V6.0 DVDA 3.0 Moans

mfhau wrote on 4/23/2005, 3:11 AM
Both of these are unforgiveable, stingy and lazy:

1. Dual layer support should have been a free update to Version 2 of DVD Architect - ffsake Nero do it in OEM versions of their software included with next to nothing costing burners. Most of the upgrades for Architect are for particular Pros - most mean nothing to a lot us except they are "nice to haves" except Dual Layer burning which is a nuisance.

2. And this one is turning me against Vegas - it's unexplainabale:
Only Mono capture when using a SONY PDX10p (mono only with external mics) - it all depends how low down the food chain you are.
There was a question posted in this forum a while back by Sony asking about this [expletive deleted] I'll say it again - this is SONY Corporation - you need to support all your cameras - not those in "the club" i.e. what you deem is in need to turn a buck.

Ther you are - got that off my chest!!!

Comments

Mahesh wrote on 4/23/2005, 4:28 AM
Only Mono capture when using a SONY PDX10p (mono only with external mics) - it all depends how low down the food chain you are.
I had this problem with DSR200. It's the way vegas capture interprets infor from tape. I switched to sceneanalyser Live which captures stereo stream.
rextilleon wrote on 4/23/2005, 7:21 AM
Get Scenealyzer and watch your mouth.
mfhau wrote on 4/23/2005, 6:47 PM
Don't see why I should get scenealyzer (even though I have been forced to get it).

SONY should do the job properly - not what they feel like doing -

My use of language equals their attitude to this!!
Spot|DSE wrote on 4/23/2005, 7:29 PM
It's not just a Vegas issue. Other NLE's also have this problem with this camera.
Sony Camcorders are one division of Sony, they aren't in the same area, division, or corporate structure that Sony Media Software is in. That's not excusing, but at the same time, you can't blame Media Software for not supporting something strange that Sony Consumer did, either.
MUTTLEY wrote on 4/23/2005, 7:47 PM
" Dual layer support should have been a free update to Version 2 ", ya know I might ( stress might ) be willing to agree with you if Dual Layer was something that was neglected in version 2 but it wasn't even available yet. Seems kind of ridiculous for you to think that they should add new features to older versions of their software dontcha think ? It's like me wishing they would come update my TV to HD when I bought it four years ago before the technology even existed.

As for the language, regardless of who's attitude you think it matches, does it seem appropriate for you to be the one offending the members of this forum that have, are trying to, and will probably be helping you in the future ?

- Ray

www.undergroundplanet.com
TheHappyFriar wrote on 4/23/2005, 8:45 PM
I think people got spoiled by the HD update in Vegas 4.0b & now major updates are expected.

An FYI: thoes OEM versions of nero 6 only work withthe burner they came with. What good is duel layer if I can't use the other buner I spent $$$ on?
mfhau wrote on 4/24/2005, 3:28 AM
Ok lets go:
1. The Dual layer thing is a "No Brainer" - SONY Corporation did not have to wait until v3.0 to do this (Nero has had several upgrades for both V5 and V6 to handle different drives and media - what a swell company). The fact that users had to use Nero to burn dual layer DVD Architect projects speaks volumes and is commercially naive of the guys at Vegas to let this happen - but they did. The Burning world changes weekly - hence the need for software upgrades only to support drives and media!!!

2. Spot - I get your point - that's fine for the Madison boys - It's unsatisfactory for SONY Corporation, they (SONY) need to make sure there is software available to be able to utilise the features of this device. As we (my company) are regular users of both all the software products and hardware products I expect better support from a supplier - and I see the supplier as a whole NOT a disjoint organisation. If scenealyzer is the only easily available software for capture with this device then SONY should provide it free to Vegas users and stop copping out on the issue - they built the camera - they should provide adequate capture software and not have you guys ducking and weaving for them which leads me to point 3.

3. My language - apologies to anyone in this forum who was offended, I appreciate the help I get from time to time - it was directly aimed at the Head Honcho at SONY Media and also his boss - I'll say it again "you're starting to lose me"


craftech wrote on 4/24/2005, 6:04 AM
I cannot for the life of me understand that JUST to have a DVD "something like" Hollywood has many of you want to cram it all on one disc. After spending more than the cost of two DVD's for the media and jumping through hoops to get a program and burner to correctly write the DL you end up with a largely INCOMPATIBLE disc.
Yet that seems worth it so you can "look professional".

Mind boggling.

John
Veggie_Dave wrote on 4/24/2005, 6:18 AM
>Yet that seems worth it so you can "look professional".

That's incredibly condescending, don't you think?

Personally, I *need* the ability to burn dual layer DVDs so that I can produce the DVDs that my customers demand. Or do you think Vegas and DVDA are used purely by bedroom wannabees? And even if that was true, what the Hell's wrong with them wanting to produce something they're proud of, too?

Vegas and DVDA are marketed and sold as 'Professional HD Video, Audio and DVD Creation' - therefore, as there are few, if any, profession DVDs that are DVD-5 or DVD-9 anymore, it seems somewhat logical that a 'professional DVD Creation' package would be capable of producing the most common professional DVD standard, don't you think?
craftech wrote on 4/24/2005, 6:50 AM
Dave,
I didn't mean it sound condescending. My customers could care less whether I give them one DVD or two DVD's. Maybe I should have worded it differently. Why do your customers demand one over two? The technology isn't up to snuff yet in a home DVD DL setup so I question the obsession with it when it isn't ready for primetime. When it is I have an entire duplication rack of DL capable burners and will be ready to jump in at that time. Until then I don't want ANY returns of unplayable discs and right now I don't get any using two DVD's.

John
Veggie_Dave wrote on 4/25/2005, 2:48 AM
> Why do your customers demand one over two?

Two reasons - the first one's the main reason, and that's there's nothing more annoying than getting 2/3s the way through a film only to then have the whole experience ruined by having to go and swap DVDs

And then there's cost. But, I should probably point out, all my discs are replicated rather than home burnt so compatability isn't an issue for me, I only need to be able to create a master

I can understand not wanting to produce DVDs that can only be played on a handful of players, but there should still be the choice when you buy a professional DVD creation package, so that we're all happy
craftech wrote on 4/25/2005, 4:12 AM
I can see your point Dave. I do mostly event video so there is always a logical place to change discs. (Intermission, etc). Replication does solve a lot of problems, but those of us using the Vegas/DVDA or Vegas/DVDA/Nero solution gain nothing but headaches from using DL.

John
p@mast3rs wrote on 4/25/2005, 7:24 AM
"3. My language - apologies to anyone in this forum who was offended, I appreciate the help I get from time to time - it was directly aimed at the Head Honcho at SONY Media and also his boss - I'll say it again "you're starting to lose me""

You could always go back to your first post and edit out the offending word.