V7 MM & Copy/Trim: It all comes together!

BrianStanding wrote on 12/1/2006, 7:44 AM
Just thought I'd share something I recently worked out.

For some time, I've been logging tapes by setting in/out points in Video Capture and then batch capturing the clips I want to disk. I've used this method because I need to have a bulletproof archive of my work, so I can recapture and recreate a project at a later date if I need to re-edit. But, necessary as it is, I've always hated logging tapes. I've just started editing work on a new 1-hour documentary with 18 hours of raw footage. So, I decided I'd try out a new logging workflow in Vegas 7. Here's what I've worked out:

1. Open up Media Manager and create a new, blank media library just for this project. In addition to the standard tags (Closeup, Static, etc.), I created tags for each interviewee or major topic, "cutaways," "master," "establishing," and "needs trimming."

2. From the Project Media window, I selected "Capture Video" and used Video Capture (I'm still in the SD world) to capture an entire DV tape to a folder (named for the tape number) on my hard drive, with scene detection enabled.

3. I then use Media Manager to log the clips with the standard tags and the tags I'd set up in step 1. Garbage clips get deleted from MM and the hard drive by right-clicking them in MM. Longer clips with no scene breaks (like extended talking-head interviews) get tagged with "Needs trimming." Once I've tagged a bunch of clips, I save all the tags to the file properties.

4. After I've loaded several tapes onto the hard drive, I select the tag for all the "needs trimming" clips. One by one, I dump these into the trimmer, and set named regions for each segment of interest, leaving the bad parts without regions. Make sure you save the media markers to the files (I have Vegas set to do this automatically in preferences).

5. In Vegas' Explorer window, I grab all the regions I created in Step 4, and drag them onto the timeline. Then I hit "Save As," check "Copy Trimmed Media Files," and give myself 2-second head and tail "handles." I then save the files to a subfolder of the original.

6. Go back to Media Manager, reselect all "Needs Trimming"-tagged files, and delete them from the hard disk. If necessary, re-tag all the trimmed clips in the subfolder.

This workflow was theoretically possible in earlier versions of Vegas, but with version 7, the trimmed files created by Save As now retain camera-original timecode information, so they can now be recaptured from the original tapes. Add to that the much better stability of Media Manager, and I am now confident enough to use this as my primary workflow.

I find this speeds up the process immensely, because I avoid time consuming marking or in/out points while shuttling the tape, I can tag multiple similar clips at the same time in Media Manager, and I can quickly delete junk clips or segments of longer clips. This gives me a well-defined, project specific database of only the good stuff from all my footage. Furthermore, I can reliably recreate this project from the original tapes, capturing only the "good" clips (saving time and disk space) through the "recapture offline media" option either from the Vegas timeline or from Media Manager.

This rocks! Logging is now almost fun! Thanks, Sony for making these tools work so well!

Now, about that storyboard....

Comments

Spot|DSE wrote on 12/1/2006, 9:10 AM
Great post, Brian!
Grazie wrote on 12/1/2006, 9:24 AM
Another convert! O I hear yah Bruvver! I hear yer! - Let others take your example ... and shed them shackles!!

My work here is done . . .

Brian, I seriously hear your excitement. Media Manager!! Great stuff!!

Yoyodyne wrote on 12/1/2006, 1:44 PM
Thanks a ton - I love "workflow" posts.
chap wrote on 12/1/2006, 2:24 PM
Hmmm... maybe i am a rookie editor, but i just capture my entire tape and do selects right on the timeline.

As i watch the footage (which captured while i slept), i scrub along by editing the heads of an audio event, which doesn't interrupt video preview.

then i rename any take i like right in the timeline, and i have my active takes right there. and my edit is also then 25% done at the time of what would have been spent capturing.

probably it is about the same net-net. but i have never even used the trimmer, what is the purpose of it? - just edit right on the timeline!

chap
GGman wrote on 12/1/2006, 2:38 PM
I edited a full length movie with with 26 tapes (hours) and used MM when it first came out. I posted back then the workflow which is similar to this thread except for the part about using regions. I did not need the region steps for what I had. I also spoke on the subject at a Vegas Users meeting back then in Irvine, CA. MM worked great although many people complained about it. I never uderstood why when it was so easy to figure out and use efficiently.

Anyways, I always edit on the timeline and I use the trimmer when there is a long clip that was not captured as a short clip. It is easier to pull out a short section from a long clip in the trimmer. I also use the trimmer to relink an event audio and video. Such as if I lost the audio on the timeline for some reason and I wanted to get the oriiginal audio with video back on the timeline. The trimmer will recall both in sync for the event.

GG
BrianStanding wrote on 12/2/2006, 6:26 AM
I use the trimmer for a couple of reasons. You can save regions and markers to the file itself. This gives you handy reference points that are visible in the timeline, and you can save the timeline markers and regions for other things, like DVD subtitles.

Also, when I'm in the middle of a long, complicated edit with lots of events, I don't want to risk messing up my timeline by bringing in a very long clip (particularly into the middle of the event). The trimmer gives me a place where I can select just the portion of the clip I want, and bring it in to the timeline without risking overlapping, rippling or otherwise messing with other events.