Have you sent your veg and hardware specs to SCS?

I agree. This MIGHT be system specific because not everyone has the problem.

I'd beg to differ. One file from Peter Wright consistently showed the problem on every system that it was tested on. It's occured in files from the DRU60 so it is not tape related, it is not capture related.
Same file converted to CF works just fine.
You can to some extent make the problem go away by dropping Preview RAM to 0.

Bob.

Bob,
I think you missed my point. Sending the details to Sony is necessary for them to figure out the problem. Just because Peter has seen the problem on multiple systems doesn't mean it happens to every single person. I believe that Spot said that it has never happened to him but that he does here about that problem a lot. That is why I used the word in capitals MIGHT. It could be any number of things and to not send the details to Sony is one less chance of a resolution.

Harold

At least 2 of us raised bug reports with Sony on V7 for the black frames bug (Peter and myself). After several loops of "reinstall everything etc" I eventually gave up.
Just trying V8 now.

Mark

Here is a good discussion on the topic.

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=103095

Perhaps if the people having this problem would list their entire equipment package, updates installed, their entire software package including all third party stuff, and then how it is cabled up in great detail, including cable lengths, types, and what options are selected in Vegas. It is a lot of screwing around but look what happened to the New England Patriots.
JJK

even better, if they could get their entire system over to SCS. It could be something as "simple" as certain CPU's have glitches that cause this (or memory sticks, whatnot)..

I must say that I have used Vegas since version 3 and have never encountered a black frame. I truly wonder what could be the source of your frustration.

Here's a much simpler thought.

SCS keep saying they can't repo their problem but I doubt they took Peter's file and had a look at it. Significant thing with that file was no one managed to not see the problem.

My thought is, clealry tryiing to upload some huge m2t file is out of the question but V8 has smart rendering for m2t files. Now hows about someone tries smart rendering just the second or two out around the area that has the two black frames in it. This would serve two purposes.

1) Does the smart render clear the problem?
2) Assuming the answer to 1) is No, produce a file that could be sent to SCS.

Bob.

Call me crazy if you want, but I really think an issue like this needs the attention of a "roving expert"; someone on the Vegas coding staff who really knows his stuff. He gets on a plane and goes out to see the actual systems and tears them apart from both a hardware and software point of view. I suspect the cause and solution will quickly become obvious.

I will try if someone can get me the file.

We have only seen it on HDV and it has been seen in V7e on Vista and XP installs on at least 6 different machines here and at 2 other editors machines in my local area.

I have only seen it once so far but that is in about 2 8 hour editing sessions so far.

It always seems like you could fiddle with the ram preview setting or restart vegas and the spot that had the black frame would no longer have the frame, so it was intermittent, but if it happended to be there during render it would show up in the render and your clients will definitely notice it.

Bruceo- please check your email.

-Vegas Dev

i've only ever seen it once, right after I said I've never seen it before. It was at the start of a project & I made a new project & put the clip in & it worked fine. :?

Yes!

ForumAdmin, PLEASE send someone out to take an intensive look at systems demonstrating the black frame effect.

Arrg! first time using V8, had it since release, but havent used it on any projects.
Started a new project HDV 60i, timeline contains only stills, when rendering out I get black frames (show up as red when expanding t/l) happens on stills with no fx except maybe a pan crop.
So what if anything have people been doing besides going back to V7 to help avaoid this? Changing ram preview setting? (currently mine is at 16mb) Turning off smart render...even though that should not effect rendering stills to m2t.

I've got one wedding in v7 that does this. I'm finishing the job in 7 and then I'll port to 8 and let you know if it's the same.

Bugger of a problem aint it?

Aug

I got my first ever black frames last night.

I am still running 7.0e until the HDV smart render is fixed in V8.

The reason I never got black frames until now is that previously I've edited with either DV proxies or short projects with m2t files handled by the slower Main Concept decoder as opposed to Sony's decoder (because they had been trimmed in Womble).

Now I laid out a load of raw m2t files on the timeline, all handled by the Sony decoder, and here and there pairs of black frames show up during playback. RAM preview was 128Mb. I set it to 0 and I still noticed one pair of black frames afterwards, during a brief session of playing back footage.

I have a quad core x64 machine with 4Gb of RAM. Full details are here:

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=531146