V8 Pro is upside down.

goshep wrote on 10/20/2007, 7:11 PM
Just upgraded and installed. To my surprise, when I started it up the default interface was completely opposite from my V4 and V6. Timeline on bottom, trimmer, preview, et al on top. I tried to drag things to back to what I'm used to and now I've made a horrible mess of it all. Is there a way to reset this catastrophe? I can't help it, I'm a creature of habit.



jetdv wrote on 10/20/2007, 7:30 PM
Options - Preferences - Display tab

Uncheck the option to "Display timeline at bottom of main window"
goshep wrote on 10/20/2007, 7:41 PM
Thank you thank you! :)
ibliss wrote on 10/20/2007, 10:31 PM
But why is upside down now the default? Seems like a cheap shot to lure users of other software.
Chienworks wrote on 10/20/2007, 10:49 PM
Perception. There are apparently enough people out there who feel that a 'professional' NLE will have the timeline at the bottom and the preview window at the top that the Vegas marketing folks felt they had to present it that way to appear 'professional'.

Consider the number of times that people have posted in this forum asking how to put the timeline on the bottom of the screen so that it would look like the other pro apps they had used. It be way more than a few.
Paul Fierlinger wrote on 10/21/2007, 12:51 AM
To me it makes sense to have the picture at the top. It reflects the way we do many things in our everyday lives; we look down at a map and up to see where we are, we look down at our notes and up to see the speaker, we look down at the speedometer and up at the road....
GenJerDan wrote on 10/21/2007, 1:54 AM
Having the preview at the bottom always felt like I was reaching over the monitor to do things. :^)
Paul Fierlinger wrote on 10/21/2007, 1:57 AM
That's a good point too, GJD, I never realized this until I read it from you now...
1marcus4 wrote on 10/21/2007, 8:51 AM
Personally, the preview windows is at eye level when on top, which I prefer. Never made sense to me to have it in the lower right hand corner, i.e. pain in the neck, literally.
kkolbo wrote on 10/21/2007, 10:00 AM
The problem with the timeline on the bottom is twofold for me. One, I stare at the timeline more than the preview window and second is the way Vegas docks everything when you move it around. If I try to pull a window up to separate it, the docking area grabs it when it is on top faster than when it is on the bottom. That means that to tear a window loose, I have to CTL-Drag the window now to prevent the docking. Is that a big hairy deal? NO. I just can't decide which I like best so I keep going back and forth. There are always three ways to do anything in Vegas.
TheHappyFriar wrote on 10/21/2007, 12:29 PM
we look down at the speedometer and up at the road....

the timeline is the road to me. :D
Paul Fierlinger wrote on 10/21/2007, 4:05 PM
It's interesting how we all probably think we are the norm. I am astonished to hear how many people seem to spend more time focused on the timeline than on the preview. I was convinced that everyone has to spend more time focused on the picture (or watching the road).
TheHappyFriar wrote on 10/21/2007, 5:29 PM
i normally do my edits then go back & preview. I prefer to have the TL up top so I don't need to look down to see the editing.
vicmilt wrote on 10/21/2007, 5:52 PM
... and then there's two screens...

Serena wrote on 10/21/2007, 5:57 PM
I was surprised by the inversion because I was content with the previous layout. I was going to re-arrange V8 but didn't, and now the new arrangement seems quite natural. That I adapted so unconsciously suggests that the new layout has ergonomic advantages, even though I use an external monitor for visuals. The previous arrangements made me mount my monitor quite high (to alleviate the pain in the neck problem) so I don't find the timeline now too low.
Chienworks wrote on 10/21/2007, 8:35 PM
That's rather interesting. I always like having my monitors way down low so that i don't get a pain in the neck looking up. Many's the monitor that i've removed the base from so that the case would sit right on my desk. I can't undersand the folks who put the monitors up on a pedestal of some sort. My neck aches after only a minute or two of looking up that high. Right now i'm typing on my laptop and the top of the screen is only about halfway up my chest, and i find that completely comfortable. The top of my desktop's monitor is about even with my nose and that works out well most of the time.

I guess this just shows that we're all built different.
BrianStanding wrote on 10/21/2007, 8:40 PM
Now, see, I've always used an external NTSC monitor as my main preview monitor. So, I've never really cared where the Vegas preview window goes.
Serena wrote on 10/21/2007, 9:32 PM
>>>>The top of my desktop's monitor is about even with my nose<<<<

That's about correct, according to the ergonomists. The desk surface should be at elbow height. If you're tall you probably have to extend the monitor mounting if you're to sit properly. I have observed many people crouched over their desks because the monitor is too low. In their cases the top of the monitor was also about level with their noses, but they will (or do already) experience spinal problems as they get older. I've been there.
rmack350 wrote on 10/21/2007, 11:04 PM
I always raise my monitors a little higher- top edge just a little above eye level. I get shooting pains and headaches if I put them lower. Pain is bad, so put them where ever it doesn't hurt.

Sometimes I think I'd like the two screens free floating like Calder mobiles. That way I'd move my head around a little more. And if I could power the screen's backlights by pedaling it'd probably do me a world of good.

Rob Mack
kkolbo wrote on 10/22/2007, 5:04 AM
Then there are those of us with trifocal lenses and we have to bend our neck back to focus on anything above our feet.
Maverick wrote on 10/22/2007, 9:08 AM
we look down at the speedometer and up at the road....

...There's a speedometer?

Seriously, I have always had the preview screen floating around. I just move it out of the way when required or sometimes to the bottom (V5).

Now I am playing with VPro, at the top seems so much more natural but, already, I have undocked it!
vitalforce wrote on 10/22/2007, 10:08 AM
As my chiropractor put it, the head is an 8-pound bowling ball balanced on a row of narrow cylinders. When your head feels centered and balanced evenly from front to back, over your neck bones, that's the ergonomic viewing position.

P.S. I chuckled about this until he showed me an x-ray of my neck after 20 years of bending over a desk. I have bone spurs in three of my neck vertebrae.