when this 'legacy' member reaches the end of his tl, i'm gonna come by and personally 'ghost' your reception....

I used to enjoy coming to these forums but they are slowly degenerating into slagging matches and a place where people will be put off from posting.
To a large extent I agree with earlier posts, there is no need to be rude or to simply point out peoples spelling mistakes, incorrect grammar etc. perhaps they are dyslexic or English isn't their first language.
Just because you haven't experienced an issue with Vegas doesn't mean its not an issue.
If you haven't got anything constructive or nice to say, don't reply.
I fully acknowledge people who are experts in their field but respect is gained by being respectful.
If someone hasn't searched the old posts before asking a question its as easy to post a link to the solution as it is to post telling them they are lazy.
Its nice to be nice.
perhaps its best not to post if you are feeling ' grumpy' .
Ignore me if you like but i am sure the forum is full of people whom don't post often but visit several times a day to see whats going on and to learn from you Pro's.
Just my thoughts please feel free to ignore me or as per usual on here turn it into a personal slagging match.
best wishes to all. John

"Hopefully, as time passes, so will most of these "legacy" members.'

You talkin about my generation?
'cause I still hope I die before I get old

Bob.

ah bob,

live fast, die young, have a good looking corpse....

did, didn't, certainly wont.

have a good week, and enjoy your fader!

Totally agree with John (fordie). I am one of the many forum visitors who follows the many informative posts on the forum. I occasionally chip in when I feel confident that my post is technically correct, otherwise I'll leave it to those with more technical experience.

There are one or two 'non-legacy' members who seem to be dragging the forum down with posts deliberately aimed at causing trouble. It's such a shame, as this forum is one of the best resources on the web for learning about Vegas and video production in general.

Paul

I have this problem with dying and death. It doesn't fit into the logic of Vegas nor my limited brain power.
JJK

In my book "old" is a state of mind not body.
Perhaps some more words from 'my generation':

"Do not go gentle into that good night,

Bob.

I always liked the one
"when I die, I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather - not screaming in terror like the rest of the passengers in his car"
either that or
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming - WOW - What a Ride!
~Unknown"

mikey (some days I like the first quote and some the second)

Many years have passed since those summer days
Among the fields of barley
See the children run as the sun goes down
As you lie in fields of gold

You'll remember me when the west wind moves
Among the fields of barley
You can tell the sun in his jealous sky
When we walked in fields of gold...
When we walked in fields of gold......

Purely FWIW...

RE: "Don't uninstall the old version and you won't have to activate. Just let it update."

Vegas installer routines had some prob in 9c [several complaints] & 9d [didn't bother checking to see how many complaints]. Rather than risk having to do a few hours fixing anything with 9e, just copied the results from updating to 9e in 7 into the XP Pro SP3 32 install where I had prob earlier, so don't know 1st hand if Windows Installer issues persist with 9e. At any rate, my 9d issues in XP included wiping the registry of registration/activation data for all Sony apps installed. Interestingly I later found a registry key named "[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Copy of SONY]" where registration & everything else seemed to be preserved.

Don't know if that helps anyone or not... Long story short, having to (re)activate/register could, as with the 9d update, be the results of the way the install routine's written [google/bing & you'll find more info on Windows Installer weaknesses & prob]. And missing registration/activation data may in fact be preserved -- just needing moved from one place to another in the registry.

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RE: "...If it's the VOB files, try renaming them to MPG. VOB is a subset of MPEG."

.VOB files are muxed audio, video, subs/overlays etc, but definitely not a subset of anything. Haven't tried it for quite a few versions, but adding .VOB to the Vegas registry settings, alongside .mpg etc allowed direct .VOB import, & I *think* there were some other ways that have been posted in forum, *if* I remember correctly. Regardless, it's IMHO more useful to use PGCDemux to get separate streams/files, since VOBs usually include AC3 which slows down import & you can't do much with them anyway. The downside: while most all apps work with the .m2v video files you'll get, Vegas is the oddball & won't -- take a minute or three & mux the .m2v without an audio file to get an .mpg both Vegas & DVDA will like -- it adds timing info etc.

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RE: "A 720x400 25fps Xvid MPEG 4 progressive video with 48khz stereo AC-3 audio is about as non-standard an AVI as one could possibly have. "

Respectfully, John, depends on what markets Sony's pursuing. IMHO they've lost ground with enthusiasts & some pros as alternative apps become more, not less flexible when it comes to importing. Granted some Hollywood types may shun that quoted mp4, but I'd think Sony better off not forgetting its roots & collecting more $ from more sales, but that's me. ;-) [they're already behind on encoding, & since with HD, intermediates are often considered impractical, they're also losing out to less capable editors that can better/faster encode].

Anyway, my take is video's everywhere, & expanding into/onto new hardware & formats far too rapidly to take a standards only approach. AC3 audio is cool because decoding capability is extremely common with low horsepower requirements. Xvid may be the most popular codec out there, or at the least in the top ranks along with X264 -- often it's incorporated into a video app's code so the end user isn't aware. Sony I think could/should do themselves a favor and, if they don't want to get into accepting everything, at least accept .avs, putting the ball entirely in the user's court.

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Far as all the age stuff goes, my 2 cents worth... we start & end as children -- both states are on occasion maddening to some of those in between. You can't make someone be good with kids (of any age), but kids are amazingly resilient -- & forgiving, & when it's called for, forgetful. So-called adults are usually the ones with all the problems. ;-) Far as what we'd each, individually like to happen or be as we get older, or for that matter when it's said we'd rather not bother living through whatever circumstance, you change, as does your world, as do your perceptions.

"I used to enjoy coming to these forums but they are slowly degenerating into slagging matches and a place where people will be put off from posting."

I totally agree with John. It seems the civility level here has dropped in the last 6 months.

Pity.

".VOB files are muxed audio, video, subs/overlays etc, but definitely not a subset of anything." actually, it is. Just check with the group in charge of licensing Mpeg.

"Respectfully, John, depends on what markets Sony's pursuing. IMHO they've lost ground with enthusiasts & some pros as alternative apps become more, not less flexible when it comes to importing." Again, you're incorrect. SCS vegas has gained in many professional markets, especially broadcast. SCS consumer nle has been kicking butt for a long time.

Just a reminder, most commercial encoders do not handle odd combinations because they try to optimize the encoding to reduce loss and improve performance for the decoders expanding the data stream.

Yes, John's "needs" to correct spelling can be an issue, especially for a poor typist like myself but John usually clearly states that he "feels" driven to correct them----- which is ok and I don't ever remember John being mean about it.

MPM - thanks for the comments on the installer screwing up the registry keys - I checked - not only did the 9.0e install (over the existing 9.0b that was already registered) screw up the version 9 registration and I had to do it again, it also managed to unregister version 8 of Vegas Pro that has been registered for quite a while as well as DVDA and Acid Pro 7. I wonder what else it got ? Then they complain you have used up your quota of activations !! (only because they have unactivated things on your system for you ! ) (note - this is on XP Pro, SP3 - don't know how it affects other versions of windoze ).

mikey

qpsmikey, MPM is correct about the registry I believe for vegas 32b XP and V(32). I had a similar issue to on a Vista32b, going from 9d to 9e. I never installed 9.0 thru 9c, no real reason, just slow updating this time..

Dudwzr spewed, "The same thing happened to Alfred Stieglitz. His first artistic photos were put down by the "pros" of the time."

I've seen your work and you are NO Alfred Stieglitz.

http://www.youtube.com/user/budwzr

I still have the same slow project opening issue. Using aviplug.dll from 9.0c resolves the problem. I have posted a support request to Sony. It would be nice if everyone where the problem still exists would post a support request.

It would be nice to scroll down through these threads without all the noise of people having these petty arguments that don't offer anything helpful. I'm guilty of having fallen for that at some point, but I've tried not to lately. One thing is to vent when Vegas doesn't work for you, and maybe that venting leads to something positive like another person showing a workaround, or the SCS people reading about it and perhaps trying to fix it.

But when I have to scroll through a long thread on the latest update, simply trying to find if it worked for most users or not, and reading things like "Hopefully, as time passes, so will most of these "legacy" members.", or ...man you are an ass.. Vegas is in deeper shit than I thought if you are the new power user, etc, etc, it's a waste of my time and other users' time.

Now, since this thread will probably get deleted soon, I'll post a bug I found in this update in a new thread.

"You can bash my YouTube videos, but each one represents baby steps on my journey, and I'm not embarrassed or ashamed of them." those baby steps appear to be towards the basement staircase! ;-) But baby steps is a good thing if "focused" . ;-)

"but as fellow artists it's more hurtful when we're poo-pooed or dismissed rudely." SADLY, with a mere couple of million camera"persons" and editors (struggling), you have failed to demonstrate any unique talent to be a game changer yet----- maybe a new approach towards the concept of creativity or business model maybe a better solution for you.

Changing the status of the "old guard" is not a task for the weak, simple minded, poor, ...... or FCP editors ;-) Change is not bad or as bad as lack of understanding or the lack of ability to communicate one's ideals. ;-)

Try watching them in reverse order.
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" those baby steps appear to be towards the basement staircase! ;-) But baby steps is a good thing if "focused" . ;-)

"Try watching them in reverse order." Nice, good humor, maybe you can change the world. ;-)

John ‘C’ don’t put words into peoples mouths, you have done this to me on a few occasions

I made a comment about perceptions in one thread and you turned it around to say I was calling everyone on the forum potsmokers which I wasn’t
You established the point I was making that having a different point of view isn’t allowed on this forum.

Beating someone with a harsh verbal stick isn’t going to teach them respect or consideration and why is it that you want everyone to see things from your perspective always correcting every little mistake?

So, Rory, what is it you want out of this?

Grazie