variable bit rate

dvideo2 wrote on 6/24/2010, 1:56 PM
i'm sure this info exists somewhere else within forums, so sorry to
post again, but can someone give me info on the (maximum, average, and minimum) bitrates when using the variable bit rate
setting?.....Let's assume i'm rendering to MPEG2 DVD Architect
and only have a 15 min long video....what would be the best settings?...maybe someone can stear me towards some information on this topic?.....thank you very much...

Comments

Chienworks wrote on 6/24/2010, 2:05 PM
Only 15 minutes? Don't worry with variable or 2-pass. Just use a constant bitrate of 8,500,000 and be done with it. You can use that up to about 68 minutes. It's only when you have a video longer than that that you have to worry about using a lower bitrate.
dvideo2 wrote on 6/24/2010, 2:11 PM
2 follow up questions to your answer:

1. I remember reading that you shouldn't exceed 8,000,000..is that not true?
2. " Variable bit rate files can produce higher picture quality and smaller file sizes than constant bit rate files."......this quote comes
directly from the vegas help section.......As you can see, it sais that variable bit rate files can produce higher quality....?
Oh, 1 more question:
If i can exceed 8,000,000, why not use the 9,800,000 setting?

Thanks again
kkolbo wrote on 6/24/2010, 2:43 PM
Personally I like to stay below 8 for constant bitrates. The help is referring to better quality when you are throttled back. For example, a 7,5 Max with a 6,0 average is generally better than a constant 6. Once you get to wide open, if the file will fit on the disc which 15 minutes certainly will, there is no benefit and actually may produce lower quality. It certainly takes longer.

If you want to use a variable bitrate, use the stock template from Sony. It is very high bitrate and produces a nice outcome. No Mess, No Fuss.

KK
Chienworks wrote on 6/24/2010, 2:51 PM
9,800,000 is the maximum by the spec. However, lots of DVD players start having issues above 9,000,000. Leaving some room for the audio and a little extra just to make sure you're under that limit is why i recommend 8,500,000. It's up to you to decide if you like that advice or not. Feel free to try encoding the video at 9,600,000 and the audio at 192,000 and see how well your DVD player plays it. Just remember that even if yours does, the people you give copies to might not be so lucky.

Variable bit rate achieves it's higher quality by using lower bitrates when it doesn't matter, such as stills and scenes with very little detail or action. It then saves up the bandwidth not used during these times for the bursts when there is a lot of action. The idea here is that you could use a maximum bitrate of about 8,500,000 a minimum of 1,500,000, and an average around 5,000,000 to achieve a result that looks as good as the maximum, most of the time, but only uses as much space as the average. Such a file would probably look a lot better than a constant rate of 5,000,000.

However, with your short video you can use a constant bitrate that is the maximum since you don't have to worry about saving space. A variable file of 1,500,000 / 5,000,000 / 8,500,000 is going to look quite a bit worse than a constant rate of 8,500,000.

Why not use 9,800,000? Because you risk having a lot of players not being able to keep up and result in skipping or even rejecting the disk.
kkolbo wrote on 6/24/2010, 2:57 PM
Chien,

Ya, what he says...
That was a much more understandable explanation than I wrote. I think my fingers are getting tired today and I am talking in circles.

Smiles,
Keith
musicvid10 wrote on 6/24/2010, 5:31 PM
Some earlier players have trouble with a sustained CBR much above 6Mbs. Most newer players can handle sustained CBR of 8Mbs easily.