Vegas 14 vs. Resolve 12.5

John222 wrote on 10/18/2016, 7:01 PM

I've been editing in Vegas 11 and doing my coloring in Resolve  for about a year now.  Recently I've begun using Resolve 12.5 editing capabilities, when it looked like Vegas was going down hill.  To be honest Resolve has a very good editor.  Maybe it's what I use it for, but I'm not seeing any reason to stick with Vegas.  Has a more capable person than I taken the opportunity to seriously evaluate Resolve 12.5?

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john_dennis wrote on 10/18/2016, 7:10 PM

Ushere has used it a lot. I'm not going to make a value judgement about who's more capable.

set wrote on 10/18/2016, 7:37 PM

Plus & Minus of both application. If you are working a lot with still images or have a mix of media source (different codecs, different frame rate), Vegas Pro is still faster.

But, Resolve doing great job in coloring. I have tried that and successfully finished one complete project with it.

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ushere wrote on 10/18/2016, 10:44 PM

as john wrote, i now do nearly all my work in resolve - it's certainly not as 'fast' as vegas (i'm still using 13 and have no intentions of moving to 14),

most of my work is ex1 or 3 mp4 footage (with some client m2t and other 'junk' media), along with generated media, stills and mp3 / wav.

i usually rough cut footage in vegas (as set points out, there's nothing as quick), then export as xavc-i for use in resolve, mp3 i convert to wav. (if required i'll go back to vegas for final sweetening, but haven't needed to recently)

i'm still on a learning curve with resolve - it really is an amazingly sophisticated program that only gets better with use. it does have some limitations, mainly in the audio dept, but otherwise i'm finding it more than adequate for MY needs.

i emphasise MY needs - short form doco style with some green screen, titling, ken burns stills and the like so i'm not really using it as a compositor or fx editor - even so, the more i learn about nodes and their use...

i'm not saying resolve is worse or better than vegas (13 that is), just that it's a completely different beast, and certainly one that needs reckoning with. the learning curve is steep, but i would hazard a guess and say if you mastered both resolve and fusion (both FREE), you'd never look at any other nle - though you'd still need a daws if your production requires serious sound work.

dlion wrote on 10/19/2016, 11:21 AM

+1 what ushere said.

i too now work with resolve, and i'm really impressed. takes having an open mind about how things get done; i was able to find help online for just-in-time learning, there's a wealth of stuff available.

resolve went from the go-to color tool to a full-fledged nle in the same 2 years that sony let vegas lapse. imho resolve 12.5.2 is what vegas should have become.

Kinvermark wrote on 10/19/2016, 2:54 PM

...just that it's a completely different beast, ...

That was my take too, after spending several weeks "playing around" with resolve.   I like it, and the colour grading is awesome, but no way is it as fluid and agile as editing in Vegas.  It also has some drawbacks like no full screen preview on a secondary windows monitor (you can go to a monitor via  Blackmagic Intensity, etc.),  very few options for rendering to finishing codecs, less options for text and other generated media (eg for lower thirds), more time consuming to pan/crop for photo shows, etc.  Also missing the great productivity advantages of scripting and third party products like vegasaur.

I think the feeling that it is "more professional" comes from its orientation towards people who need to do serious colour grading work and pass fx grade intermediates back and forth etc.  It is a VERY technical piece of software. 

Also, because it is currently free, it attracts a whole group of hobbyists who perhaps have more time to spend on extensive colour grading than a paid professional event videographer would. 

 

 

RealityStudio wrote on 10/19/2016, 3:06 PM

Does Resolve have scripting support like Vegas does? I rely on that quite heavily to automate my workflow.

set wrote on 10/19/2016, 5:20 PM

Does Resolve have scripting support like Vegas does? I rely on that quite heavily to automate my workflow.

No. This is a 'closed' software.

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John222 wrote on 10/20/2016, 10:14 AM

I miss the full screen preview on a second monitor, but the ctrl-f toggle to full screen is pretty good.  Personnally, I found the pan and crop controls very good. 

It will be interesting to see where this goes.  Blackmagic seem fully committed to Resolve and Fusion.  Im my opinion Vegas 15 will be a make orf break release for Magix.  

RedRob-CandlelightProdctns wrote on 10/20/2016, 11:49 AM

 Im my opinion Vegas 15 will be a make orf break release for Magix.  

I thought 14 was that ;-)

I upgraded to the "suite" for 14 because I was looking forward to some of the more sophisticated titling and FX, but alas, a few bugs (problematic handling of .M2T files) and possibly my own inability to grasp how to use the new titling tools, and I'm left still using Vegas 10 (I never upgraded to 13 and wasn't too impressed with 12 which I purchased the upgrade for).

I haven't jumped to Resolve yet simply because I have been holding out with Vegas due to our efficient multi-cam workflow with it and Excaliber, and honestly just not taking the time to try it out.

 

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Kinvermark wrote on 10/20/2016, 2:49 PM

I agree, we need to see some real progress in Vegas 15 - a tangible statement of direction and vision for the software.

The solution for most of our "Vegas woes"  is not DaVinci Resolve, but serious Vegas development.  It is a great platform to start from!

 

John222 wrote on 10/20/2016, 2:53 PM

 Im my opinion Vegas 15 will be a make orf break release for Magix.  

I thought 14 was that ;-)

 

 

I didn't have high expectation for Vegas 14.  There was no way the Magix team could have done much more than band-aid Vegas 13.  It's a shame they are charging so much.  I'm on Vegas 11 Pro, and to me the upgrade to 14 brings little to the table.  At the most it would be worth $50 to upgrade.