Vegas 15

andy-mac wrote on 8/31/2018, 1:38 PM

Hi folks,

I don't want this to come across as some troll-like hater post. I'm a long-time user, genuinely love Vegas as a product and have used it to create coming on for 1,000 videos over the last 7 years or so. However since upgrading to Vegas Pro 15 I've had nothing but problems and I'm certainly not paying for another upgrade that might makes things worse. My current main issues:

1. Random freezes / crashes - sometimes never, sometimes 3-4 times per editing session. As a result I'm now saving after almost every edit. I've tried the whole switching off GPU acceleration thing - it does help, but still have the odd crash. Probably 50% better but not a solution - not to mention how awful it is with GPU acc. switched off. For what it's worth the crashes happen more on busy edits - lots of tracks, lots of text overlays etc. In fact, almost always text related. Can't remember it crashing on a vid with no text.

2. Random black screens in the final render. Sometimes it will just be a few frames. Sometimes a few seconds. Doesn't always do it, again seems pretty random.

3. Random black screens while actually editing. Everything works fine - just nothing on the preview window for a random amount of time.

4. Rogue Vegas processes left running after Vegas is closed. Sometimes if I've been in and out of Vegas throughout the day I'll check task manager and 5 copies of Vegas Pro are running in the background.

There's other niggly things but the above are becoming show-stoppers for me. Thought I'd have one last shot of fixing things - yours hopefully. :-(

Andy

VP 15 build 321, Windows 10.0 (64-bit) version 10.00.17134, Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3770K CPU @ 3.50GHz, Intel HD Graphics 4000 driver version 10.18.10.4653. Most footage via Canon 650D (T4i) 1920x1088 25fps .MOV.

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VEGAS_CommunityManager wrote on 1/25/2019, 8:37 AM

Hi Andy-mac,

Please send me the ticket number, then I can investigate what happened in our support. Not communicating at all is obviously never a good idea. Full disclosure: it's friday and the work day is almost over here in Germany. So, I will look into it as soon as I come in on monday.

Regarding the reviews, we are always trying to give the best possible support and even then there are users which get angry and vent. Just look at a market-like company... this is not uncommon.

marc-s wrote on 1/25/2019, 9:53 AM

Andy, a word about Fusion in Resolve. It’s an amazing compositing program but I don’t use it yet as it’s kind of slow inside of Resolve, They have said it will take some time to implement the code. The thing is I believe them as like I said they are improving things at a lightning pace. Nodes are also used in the color correction windows which I’ve really come to like.

Trensharo wrote on 1/28/2019, 9:14 AM

Resolve still has Fusion Connect that works well with Fusion stand-alone... So you don't have to use the Resolve Integrated One... However, I have never really seen a problem outside of the fact that it's completely missing Fusion 9's Timeline... which I kind of need for Motion Graphics.

andy-mac wrote on 1/28/2019, 9:46 AM

marc-s / Trensharo - what do you use for simple lower 3rds etc.? Fusion looks very time consuming for something like this that would take a matter of minutes in Vegas. Looks very powerful though.

Kinvermark wrote on 1/28/2019, 9:54 AM

This is an example of why I claimed the two programs are not replacements for each other. Others would be automation, stills handling, etc. I am currently happily using both in an integrated workflow: Resolve for footage "prep" and Vegas for cutting, titles, still animation, etc.

Question: Does one or the other have to "win" or is it OK to have two (or more) tools in ones toolkit?

andy-mac wrote on 1/28/2019, 10:05 AM

Question: Does one or the other have to "win" or is it OK to have two (or more) tools in ones toolkit?

Depends if I can get Vegas to stop crashing. :-)

marc-s wrote on 1/29/2019, 10:43 AM

usually use photoshop for my lower thirds. Though Resolve does have a nice built in titler and now something called text + which uses Fusion functionality with pre built template options. Best thing would be to give it a test drive.

Trensharo wrote on 1/29/2019, 5:49 PM

marc-s / Trensharo - what do you use for simple lower 3rds etc.? Fusion looks very time consuming for something like this that would take a matter of minutes in Vegas. Looks very powerful though.

Resolve has Text that is comparable to VEGAS' Legacy Text and ProType Titler. Fusion is for more "fancy" stuff. The kind of stuff that you would do in i.e. After Effects instead of Premiere Pro... BMD also has about 2 dozen Templates in Resolve 15, which you can use as a starting point. You can also save your Fusion cmpositions as templates for reuse down the line.

Fusion is a VFX/Compositing Application. It's not going to perform like "regular text" or "keyframed image positions" in an NLE ;-)

This is an example of why I claimed the two programs are not replacements for each other. Others would be automation, stills handling, etc. I am currently happily using both in an integrated workflow: Resolve for footage "prep" and Vegas for cutting, titles, still animation, etc.

Question: Does one or the other have to "win" or is it OK to have two (or more) tools in ones toolkit?

No. But one has to actually state a fact when stating a claim as if it is such.

Saying "the two programs are not replacements for each other" is objectively false. Anyone who has used Resolve and VEGAS Pro knows this - but few here will say so; because they're either trying to be overly diplomatic to avoid being flamed out of the thread, or they are biased towards their choice editing platform.

Resolve was worse than VEGAS for editing... at version 12.5 or so.

Every page in Resolve is superior to what exists to compete against it in VEGAS Pro. VEGAS Pro has great brand loyalty. That's a great thing. That means that it can remain on the market and hopefully improve to be more competitive... because it used to be very competitive. Sony just neglected it, and now MAGIX has to work extra hard to make up for the lost time and product focus.

For every 1st party effect that Resolve has in common with VEGAS Pro, the ResolveFX /FairlightFX will deliver better quality at better performance (esp. the ResolveFX). Even the built-in transitions are better quality in Resolve.

You will just end up doing all of your Audio Mixing, Color Correction/Grading, Clip Stabilization, Chroma Keying, Text, Titles, Motion Graphics, Visual Effects, etc. in Resolve... unless you just like using inferior plug-ins/functionality to achieve the same tasks in VEGAS Pro. You'll be putting clips on the timelines and cutting them, only to generate an AAF to move the project in Resolve to do everything else... as if Resolve doesn't cut better than VEGAS Pro...

I still use VEGAS for a lot of my YouTube/Social Media stuff, because it's fast to throw some clips on the timeline, cut it up and click Render As... It also runs well on my older laptop, which I prefer to carry around because I don't care if it breaks, gets a drink spilled on it, etc. at this point. It's easy to use. Performs well on meager systems. It has context sensitive help. I still heavily advocate beginners start off with Movie Studio Platinum, because I think VEGAS is the perfect prosumer editor between Consumer and "high end, professional" NLEs (Avid, Final Cut Pro X, Premiere Pro, Resolve).

But I no longer use it for serious projects. I wouldn't edit someone's wedding video in VEGAS Pro, or do sporting event video with it. I consider that short-changing my customers, because it is a worse tool for those jobs compared to Resolve.

Kinvermark wrote on 1/29/2019, 8:18 PM

Saying "the two programs are not replacements for each other" is objectively false

Actually, THAT statement is objectively false. They are not replacements, and I gave two (of many possible ) examples why (automation and stills handling). What are you actually saying "no" to?

Trensharo wrote on 1/30/2019, 7:22 PM

Resolve handles stills just fine. I am not even sure where you are getting this information. Resolve also does automation. RTFM is very apt, here. The person upthread didn't say anything about Resolve not being able to do anything. He said the Fusion Page was slow for his simple lower thirds, and this can be due to his hardware and/or bad assumptions about how a VFX/Compositing/Motion Graphics software should be expected to perform on such hardware in comparison toan NLE.

Different NLEs have functionality that is exclusive to them. Resolve has Dynamic Trim Mode, for example, while VEGAS doesn't. I didn't mention it, because it's completely worthless from the standpoint of that discussion. Free Resolve more than replaces VEGAS Pro. Feature disparity exists between all sorts of software... News at 11. Everyone isn't dual booting (or VMing) Linux and Windows simply because one has features the other doesn't...

This is like saying Final Cut Pro X can't replace Premiere Pro because you like Tracks better than the Magnetic Timeline and tracks give you a feature or two that you like and may or may not be able to approximate in Final Cut Pro X.

You're playing with semantics. The statement you wrote was diplomatic, not true.

Resolve completely replaces VEGAS, and then some.

Frankly, you don't sound like you have actually used that software for much of anything.