Hi Liberty610,

Saw your listed build. Similar to mine (in signature). For Vegas Pro 16 Suite, you can always download the 30 Day trial, and check for yourself. The majority of issues I've seen in the forum, were mostly problems with the "various add-ons", like NewBlue FX, Boris FX, etc. Just search in the forum threads as most that had those problems, have been fixed by what the users, and Magix Staff have reported. Me, I'm happy with Pro 15 Suite, and will probably wait for the next cycle after 16. Just because 15 is doing what I need right now.

For your rendering at 21:9, the big thing would be to actually render at 3840x1600 (that or its 3800x1600 - gave my 21:9 screen to nephew as I'm using 2x 28inch 4K so been a while that I rendered to that resolution). Yeah, basically a slightly "down-graded" 4K, but that way when you upload to YouTube, it will show correctly for both 21:9, and people with 16:9 screens in 4K/1080 as well. Plus, if you get the chance, would recommend going up to 64GB RAM. Will really help if you are planning on doing the "higher resolution" projects/rendering.

Happy Editing!

Mike "The Chief" O'Sullivan

John_Dennis beat me to the punch on the free trial of 16. He's still got the touch!

Yes, I would definitely recommend V16 but you might just get the Edit version and hold off on the suite. I've been using the program for several years and in my humble opinion, nothing even comes close to its efficient and intuitive interface. I've heard some say you can't use it for professional color grading and pro productions, but I would respectfully disagree. As I write this, I just finished editing a short film and found it a breeze. You will find complaints about the program, but honestly, there's so many variables involved and all things considered, I think it is just as stable as anything. I've had Resolve and Premiere crash on me plenty of times. I think the fact so many issues are being raised is that Vegas is in the process of being brought back up to speed after it was neglected by Sony and as a result, the new features create bugs. But I just look at this entire process as battle testing or extreme beta testing and as a result, the program will ultimately be solid. V15 had its issues, but after running the gauntlet, the final build is solid and stable. V16 will be the same process.

I think it is fantastic so many people are using it and finding the issues, so they can be fixed. I know there are some long standing bugs that bother some people, but overall I have more successes than failures with the program. The scary thing would be if no one found anything or people were trying to hide something. You can say anything you want about this forum, but no one is hiding or holding back anything. LOL.

@karma17 +1 … well said.

+ yes, Edit is the best choice IMO. I've not had a crash thus far with VP16.

Thank you guys for the replies.

I see that community here is VERY active. And I always considered that a great sign. I too have been using Vegas for a while. I am not a professional in the slightest. I am mostly an enthusiast/hobbiest at best. I do some youtube uploads, and I shoot a lot of family videos and what not. I have a Sony NX100 HD camera, and the only 4k I have is more of a consumer one in the AX100 model.

I wasn't sure which version to grab, as I see there is a big sale on the full suite until the 30th of this month, and I wasn't sure if that was worth it or if I should stick with the less packed versions.

I am giving the 30 day trial a run today. The only real issues I have ever faced in Vegas in the past is rendering getting stuck/causing crashes. But that was fixed by turning GPU acceleration off (which I am not sure what it does being on honestly) and the other thing I always had to do was turn the value of Mutli Core playack from TRUE to FLASE. Those two things always fixed my issues.

Thanks for the replies guys. I'll be giving it a try today. Just finished installing.

@Liberty610 What hardware do you intend to run Vegas 16 on?

@Liberty610 What hardware do you intend to run Vegas 16 on?

In my original post, I posted a link that has my setup on it:
https://pcpartpicker.com/b/BqHhP6

AMD Thredripper 1960x, 32GB of ram, and Nvidia GTX 1080 8GB video card is the general of it. Several SSDs and HDDs installed (9 total - 2 m.2 SSD drives, 1 3.5 SATA SSD and the rest are standard HDDs).

Have you purchased the system already?

Also, the AX100 is a great camera, had one myself until I upgraded to the AX700. The 4K is of high quality and nothing to be ashamed of.

I built the system myself a little over a year ago. That PC Parts picker page is what I currently have.

I am a fan of the AX100, but I like the image quality of the NX100 better with the 60fps.

I built the system myself a little over a year ago.

That explains the 1960x which has been surpassed by the 29xx series, however, that should be a good system for VP16.

I built the system myself a little over a year ago.

That explains the 1960x which has been surpassed by the 29xx series, however, that should be a good system for VP16.

I got the 1950x on launch day. I'll grab Threadripper 2 down the road, but for now the 1950x is going well for me.

So, I have the Vegas Pro Suite trial installed. I'll probably just end up getting the Edit or Pro version. the pro version is most appealing to me because of the fact that I will get DVD Architect with it

So, I know Magix has been addressing things that Sony has been neglecting. The first thing I noticed different was the rendering presets - (My current Vegas version is only 14). I see a lot of new options in it, including presets that have (NVidia NVENC) next to it. I chose one of those options for a test render, and I am seeing Vegas 16 actually use my GPU to render with. Something I don't believe I have ever been able to have happen successfully. Everything I have rendered with is straight CPU. Even my GPU fans are kicking on because it's actually making the graphics card work.

With this being the trial version, I can only make renders less then 2 minuets long, which is where my concern comes in. A lot of the times in older versions, my longer videos would always hang/crash at around 50% or sometimes crash before the 50% mark hit. What I was told to do to eliminate this issue was to:

1. Turn off GPU acceleration of video processing. And

2. Hold down SHIFT while hitting the 'properties' tab, then opening the 'Internal' options in preferences. I was to type in the search field "Anable multi-core rendering for playback" and turn the vale from True to False.

Can anyone here tell me what turning these 2 options off actually does? I always had to do them in previous versions, whether I was using Intel CPUs or AMD.

Just like they sound:

1) Only use the CPU for rendering. 2) Use single core of your cpu only.

These are "desperation" settings only, for when you can't find a solution to whatever problem your system and Vegas are having. My advice: Don't mess around with the internal settings unless you know what you are doing.

FWIW, I would NEVER turn these settings off as they are critical to getting decent performance in Vegas. Better to find another way. ie Workflow change, system repair/reconfigure, etc.

If you are a gamer with an overclocked system, looking to capture gameplay in some oddball OBS format, then render it to some other oddball format, then your chances of a problem increase. :)

Just like they sound:

1) Only use the CPU for rendering. 2) Use single core of your cpu only.

These are "desperation" settings only, for when you can't find a solution to whatever problem your system and Vegas are having. My advice: Don't mess around with the internal settings unless you know what you are doing.

FWIW, I would NEVER turn these settings off as they are critical to getting decent performance in Vegas. Better to find another way. ie Workflow change, system repair/reconfigure, etc.

If you are a gamer with an overclocked system, looking to capture gameplay in some oddball OBS format, then render it to some other oddball format, then your chances of a problem increase. :)

I do some gaming for sure, and sometimes (not often) I record game play. But I use Xsplit broadcaster for that.

The issues I run into while render though, are not game play videos with odd ball resolutions. They are standard 16:9 1920 x 1080 videos. Many at 60FPS a second with footage shot with my Sony NX100 camera.

I never mess around with the internal settings other then turning that multi core rendering setting to FALSE. This is where I am some what bummed about the trial version only allowing 2 minuet renders. I really wanted to to try a longer render to see if 16 fixed the issues where I would crash during long renders.

Yep. A watermark for the trial would be better in this case, but I guess the issue has to do with paying royalties on codecs, and the 2 minute limit allows Magix to avoid paying.

I think there is a 15 or 30 day money-back policy so you could buy and try.

So, see you got the "VP 16 Trial". Yeah, bit of a bummer with the 2 Minute render limit, but as has been mentioned, probably more with licensing/fees for the codecs and such, which seeing from your listing on PC Partpicker, you would obviously know about from your "Musical/Audio" side.

Like I said, I too have the 1950x, and no, I do not turn off SMT for it (Hyperthreading in Intel speak) for using Vegas Pro and Movie Studio 15 Suites. As "Kinvermark" stated, more of this is due to extreme issues with either playback or rendering in most of these rare cases. Another forum member, if you search for some of his posts, BruceUSA, has a 1950x system as well, along with one of those awesome AMD Frontier Edition cards, and loves his setup. I believe he has his system overclocked and working well. Me, mine I have left at stock as being on AMD after numerous Intel systems that I did overclock, I am not quite as adept on the AMD side, and really don't need to, for me at least.

For the rendering, I keep going back and forth when I do use the Magix AVC, to one with and without using nvenc. GTX1080well, and since I've got the disk space, do it to see if I can see a difference. Plus, like to see how CPU vs. GPU size is as well. Usually, don't see a difference, though if there are any artifacts, it tends to show up more when I do GPU rendering. Though to be honest, most of my videos I do for Blu-ray disc. Yeah, still "Old Fashioned" that way, sort of like the "feeling" of reading a real book and not some Kindle download.

Oh, recording with OBS and your system should not be an issue. Just do a lot of practice runs to find out what works well, and the "a lot" of what doesn't. Again, I prefer the standard H.264 from the CPU, as I always seem to get really weird recordings with GPU nvenc recordings. Probably me, but I found what works with my system.

There are a lot of "complaints" concerning version 16 and the updates Magix has put out. The funny thing is, a lot of the "users" who report these issues, make their complaints (and sometimes quite argumentative about it), don't provide the information requested by many of the fantastice moderators and contributors, and you never hear from these "complainers" again. Just like all the ones who also use say the Adobe Suite, and then come here and want Magix to change our beloved Vegas Pro and Movie Studio to act like that! Uh, NO! Saw this same type of issue a few years ago, especially when Adobe went to the subscription model. Unlike there, the majority of the contributors here, actually do try to help. And I've seen more actual Magix staff members interact within the forums compared to what Adobe's does. Most of the time if they (Adobe staff) interacted, it was quite "not user friendly" shall we say.

Thanks again for the replies everyone!

Chief24: I love my 1060x setup. I am looking into getting the 32 core later down the road, but for now, I'd rather be looking at new software and plugins since the hardware I have is doing alright for me. I too run stock speeds. I don't have the time or patients to overclock a CPU. And with the whole silcon lottery ordeal, it may not even be worth it. Spending days testing stability that might lower my render speeds by 10 seconds just isn't worth it to me ha.

I get you on the BluRay burning. I still enjoy that myself.I have printable discs and a printer to go with it, and I like to make my own jackets and labels. I find it creatively satisfying. I like the quick and easy digital files, sure. But there is something about putting together a full DVD/BluRay project that I still enjoy doing.

As far as the user that complain, believe me... I know all to well how anal retentive the online world can be. Hence why i wanted to get some direct feedback from people on here. I am excited to see that Vegas is still going strong, and that the community here is looking to be responsive. That makes me feel better about a potential purchase.

I really won't know if this version handles longer renders without having to turn those to options off, or what MY options will be if they still cause crashes. However, I can tell you that 16 is running SUPER SMOOTH so far with everything I am throwing at it compared to previous versions. Things that would make my version 13 and 14 choke up, this is handling them without a hiccup. For example; one of the projects I want to tackle involves over 16 hours of footage that spans over 230 files. Most of them are .m2t files that came from a Cannon HV30 collection. Just to test the speed of Vegas 16, I loaded all 230 some files into a folder, went to Vegas and selected import media, highlighted all 230+ files, and clicked go. In a matter of seconds, the files where all loaded into the media bin, and a simple select all and drag and drop to the time line and it was done. All I was waiting for was for it to build the peak files.When I've tired similar tasks in previous versions of Vegas, it would freeze up and stop responding for several seconds and then take forever to load them into the time line.

The other thing I use to have issues with in previous versions was lag on the time line when scrubbing across it. Any time I would scrubb across the timeline, especially with 1080p 60fps files from my NX100, I would get heavy lag and it would take several seconds for the preview window to catch up; even on the lowest preview settings. With the preview settings at best, I have seen ZERO lag on 16.

Everything I have thrown at it so far has been buttery smooth. Which is making it harder NOT to buy it while it is on sale....

I just wanted to come back and say thank you all to the replies. I decided to take the plunge and get Vegas 16 today. I ended up getting just the Edit version for now, as a recent frozen water pipe bursting has set me back a little bit ha. I also am more of a straight editor with simple projects, so I don't really see the need for the extra plug-ins that the suite version offers. so I have the latest version of Vegas Pro 16 edit installed.

Thanks again for all the replies! Looking forward to coming back for more feedback and help from you all!