Vegas 7 Sneak Peak

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Jonathan Neal wrote on 8/28/2006, 9:20 PM
Why do we expect so much for Vegas' PR? The Sony Madison team has done a good job, overall. Does it need to be better? Sure, it always could be. But do they have the resources to do that? I'm not sure.

I've got some friends who work in different Sony departments and they all insist that the many wings of Sony seem to almost hate one another. When it comes to one department assisting another, they put each other LAST in line. So, while we see Sony give us the vivid and million-dollar-dropping propaganda in one area, we can not expect it in ALL of them. Although this is hearsay and may not be true in all areas of the company, this testament does come from within.

That said, I just want to play with Vegas! In fact, I'll argue that I SHOULD already be playing with Vegas 7. Keeping things secret is an archaic, less-than-functional way to handling PR these days. The best PR comes from buzz and exposure, and everyone in media these days try to follow buzz. It's more powerful than ever. Buzz demands product, and buzz for Vegas would come from product, from demonstration, from betas. Buzz comes from people who the COMMUNITY has decided to trust, who then tell their friends who THEY trust and so forth, and so forth.

I'll tell you that it's not difficult to fake buzz either, you just have to say something, steadily and as often as possible. I can't tell you how much I hear about certain products I would otherwise care less about, because their PR and/or development team keep releasing updates, free extensions, and/or tutorials; constantly. People don't consider them unstable, they consider them alive.

Simply: Bombard Us, Don't Avoid Us.
FrigidNDEditing wrote on 8/28/2006, 9:22 PM
Jayster - Do you still do render to new track? I don't bother with that anymore - to maintain quality and keep sizes down, I just save that section as a new .veg and nest it in the project. There's no need to render to new track and depending on what you're rendering - it would be faster to just the stuff that you want to nest as an alternate file and plop it in, instead of rendering.

this has made me wonder, time for an OT post again :)

Dave
DJPadre wrote on 8/28/2006, 9:57 PM
umm... i cant say exactly, but its coming VERY soon... sooner than what most people think.. and sooner than whats tainted here...

as for Sony themselves.. if it can improve the HDV, mor ethan likely DV will also improve in performance..

What im curious about is whether its 10bit (im gettin sick of noise coming from the use of Curves, levels, other filters and CC.. no, they really ARE noisy... ), whether the interpolation engine has been tweaked for smoother ramping of slowmo, upscaling to HD and conversion to Progressive scan, whether there are new filters or not, whether there is a means to allocatate your own Gradient in the cookie cuter filter, whether a 5.1 mix will be retained when embedding a Veg file into your timeline, whether it will open an AC3 file and create 6 seperate audio tracks... AC3's created in V6 cannot be reopened in V6...Whether it supports P2 from HVX straight out of the box.. wether the H.264 encoders have been tweaked...

there are many more things to worry about than PR...
riredale wrote on 8/28/2006, 10:20 PM
Spot, I never knew you were related to the Queen of England. Man, I'll bet there's a great story in there somewhere...

We'll have to start calling you Sir Spot.
Spot|DSE wrote on 8/28/2006, 10:37 PM
I'm probably more closely related to the six degrees of Kevin Bacon than the Queen of England, but...I have worked for James Newton Howard, who is allegedly distantly related to Kathryn Howard, who was the second niece of the third Duke of Norfolk to become Queen of England and the second Queen to be beheaded, back in the 1500's. If she's related to Elizabeth, I guess I am too...distantly by employment.;:-)
joropeza wrote on 8/28/2006, 11:50 PM
DjPadre,

I second your question! Will Vegas 7 be 10 bit or not? That's my big concern and deciding factor to upgrade.
Steve Mann wrote on 8/29/2006, 12:53 AM
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Sony didn't release any date. It was inadvertently leaked by IBC's website. If that hadn't happened, then you'd know next to nothing."

Was this before or after WEVA? Sony guys at WEVA told me that it would be released at IBC.

Steve M.
deusx wrote on 8/29/2006, 3:27 AM
>>>I second your question! Will Vegas 7 be 10 bit or not?<<<<

This version goes to 11.
busterkeaton wrote on 8/29/2006, 3:28 AM
That was before WEVA. I think you are the first person to mention an actual release date.

You as an attendee of WEVA were treated to special information. Whether or not Sony releases information this way with the hope, that it will find its way back to the forums, I don't know. But before Acid 6 was announced, I was told at a Sony show that Vegas 6 was coming and it was going to be big, but they didn't announce anything official for months. He also said there would be a Vegas 7, but wouldn't say anything about other products.

I must the say the inside information is effective at making you feel special.
plasmavideo wrote on 8/29/2006, 5:35 AM
" . . . . . . but...I have worked for James Newton Howard, who is allegedly distantly related to Kathryn Howard, who was the second niece of the third Duke of Norfolk to become Queen of England and the second Queen to be beheaded, back in the 1500's. If she's related to Elizabeth, I guess I am too...distantly by employment.;:-)"

Jeez, Spot . . I had Richard Simmons as a guest on my Morning Zoo radio show once. What does that make me?

Please don't all answer at once.
DJPadre wrote on 8/29/2006, 5:52 AM
bloody hell, cant u guys wait 2 friggin weeks?
craftech wrote on 8/29/2006, 6:29 AM
Give me the improvements to the basic editor that many of us have been complaining about for years and a revamping of the titler and credit roll generator and I will be thrilled.

John
Jay Gladwell wrote on 8/29/2006, 6:47 AM

John, I'm with you. Alas, most are interested in nothing more than bells and whistles.


Rosebud wrote on 8/29/2006, 7:17 AM
I’m very excited about V7 new features.
However, I’m afraid some basic feature still missing (overwrite mode, track lock button, better prerender file management …)
johnmeyer wrote on 8/29/2006, 8:02 AM
Give me the improvements to the basic editor that many of us have been complaining about for years and a revamping of the titler and credit roll generator and I will be thrilled.

Ditto. I'm not holding my breath, however.
rmack350 wrote on 8/29/2006, 8:30 AM
Of course you can't see those sorts of things in the posted product shot...

Getting out my magnifying glass I see that the tabs on window groups are on the outside edges of the windows. No more activating them as you drag clips across them. That's really good but not enough to make a new version.

I also see that you can place markers in events. How/if this differs from the markers you can currently drop from the trimmer is a mystery to me, but there's certainly room for them to be more useful.

"Snap points across tracks" looks to me a bit like "guides" in photoshop. Not sure how this differs from dropping a marker.

Simultaneous preview/external display is good but that's really just playing catch-up with features that other systems have had forever. Worth having? Absolutely, but this isn't groundbreaking, by any measure. The real test here might be whether you can have simultaneous display at independent resolutions and qualities. Could I have my external display set to "full/good" and my internal preview set to "preview/auto (360x240)"? And then could I export full resolution stills without having to change my preview settings? That would be very helpful and I'd certainly pony up the upgrade price just for that (because I have to export lots and lots of stills. It's not a feature everyone would care about, I know.)

Rob Mack
Tattoo wrote on 8/29/2006, 9:22 AM
I imagine the "snap points across tracks" allows a *pure* use of markers. For those who pass the markers to DVDA to use as chapter points, you could now use markers for that and use Snap Points to simply line up events. No need to delete "line up" markers prior to rendering or remember which markers are which once in DVDA. I'm sure there are other angles too. Minor refinement.
Logan5 wrote on 8/29/2006, 9:38 AM
“Will V7 be 10 bit?” No it won’t
“Will it still be 8 bit?” Nope!

In order to conserver bits the new V7 will be 7 bit.
With less bit use we can conserve energy and time.
It liken to better gas mileage. So now Vegas is now a true “green” NLE.
rmack350 wrote on 8/29/2006, 10:00 AM
Right! like a five cylinder engine.

Rob
Jonathan Neal wrote on 8/29/2006, 11:03 AM
Hmm, I just realized how much confusion/humor we will have with V8, on multiple levels. Oh, and come to think of it, DVDA8. DVDA8 what? DVDA8 Yo Dinna. (say it, if you don't already get it)
rmack350 wrote on 8/29/2006, 12:03 PM
Groan!

It'll last for years, too. A year or so talking about feature requests and another year or so griping. All of it with that joke.

Oh boy...
jkrepner wrote on 8/29/2006, 12:52 PM
Well, a little vodka, hot sauce, some pepper, and a celery stick will certainly help V8 taste better, especially in the morning after a long "edit session" the night before.

Logan5 wrote on 8/29/2006, 1:22 PM
Also V7 will be optimized for full frame rate playback for VHS tape footage!
And yes that’s either SP or LP record speeds.

U-Matic ¾ tapes will now load via decklink.

Not to be over looked.
You can now use Atari Pong game paddles for deck control and shuttling.