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rmack350 wrote on 5/19/2007, 12:24 PM
I think you shouldn't buy hardware for future versions of Vegas until those versions actually exist. Cards and drivers will be much more mature at the end of the year anyway so I think it's a bad idea to buy a card now on speculation.

Rob Mack
fishbelt wrote on 5/19/2007, 1:48 PM
I just tried to up grade my ATI video card and found it would no longer suport my Intel chip set. (AMD owns ATI now) Something to consider.. fishbelt
rmack350 wrote on 5/19/2007, 2:19 PM
That seems hard to accept. You're saying new driver wouldn't work with an Intel chipset? Which chipset? Is this a crossfire setup?

Seems weird.

Rob mack
DrLumen wrote on 5/19/2007, 4:19 PM
If AMD drops ATI support for INTEL chipsets they are cutting their own throats and even more stupid than I thought.

intel i-4790k / Asus Z97 Pro / 32GB Crucial RAM / Nvidia GTX 560Ti / 500GB Samsung SSD / 256 GB Samsung SSD / 2-WDC 4TB Black HDD's / 2-WDC 1TB HDD's / 2-HP 23" Monitors / Various MIDI gear, controllers and audio interfaces

JJKizak wrote on 5/19/2007, 4:43 PM
One thing I forgot to ask---what is VIVO?
JJK
Chienworks wrote on 5/19/2007, 4:44 PM
Video In / VIdeo Out. ATI's VIVO cards will have analog (usuall composite, but sometimes S-Video) inputs and outputs on them.
richard-courtney wrote on 5/19/2007, 9:46 PM
Will you ever be doing 3D animation with software such as Maya, Truespace, etc?
I think if you have even an itch in going that route check which 3D video card with at
least 64MB of video memory (support for DirectX9, full Pixel Shader 2.0 support, and
128MB or MORE video memory) work best.

ATI X1950 512M works great with Truespace (go with x1800 or better). Check the
software manufacturer for their recommendation.

As far as Vegas more system memory seems to help.
Steve Mann wrote on 5/20/2007, 9:28 AM
It could be something as simple as a licensing issue. ATI had license with Intel, AMD may need to renegotiate with Intel.
rmack350 wrote on 5/20/2007, 11:16 AM
I thought that the 975 chipset supports Crossfire but not SLI. Seems silly if for new ATI drivers not to work with the chipset if that's Intel's dual card option.

I see on the Tom's hardware review of the ATI r600 that they ran it on an Intel platform. Somehow I just don't thing this chipset issue is real.

JJK, there's also a description of AVIVO, if that's what you're asking about.

Rob Mack
JJKizak wrote on 5/20/2007, 1:43 PM
They come out with a new acronim every week and I see this VIVO and now I say to myself what the hell is that? So to purchase a new video card I have to know these things:
VIVO
HDMI
HDCP
Component
Composite
S-Video
DDR3
Memory
Threads
Vista
XP
PCI-16X
2560
Overclock
Direct X9
Direct X10
Open GL 2
DVI
Analog
SLI
?
JJK
rmack350 wrote on 5/20/2007, 1:48 PM
Good start on a glossary ;-)

Good luck,

RM
TheHappyFriar wrote on 5/20/2007, 8:08 PM
They come out with a new acronim every week and I see this VIVO and now I say to myself what the hell is that?

VIVO's an OLD one. So is S-Video/Composite. Those became "standard" in the mid/late 90's.

but for everything else: blame everybody BUT the vid-card makers. They didn't invent that other stuff, they're just forced to use it. :)
Chienworks wrote on 5/21/2007, 2:57 AM
VIVO : Video In / Video Out
HDMI : High Definition Multimedia Interface
HDCP : High Definition Copy Protocol / High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection
Component <-- not an acronym
Composite <-- not an acronym
S-Video : Separate Video
DDR3 : Double Data Rate 3
Memory <-- not an acronym
Threads <-- not an acronym
Vista <-- not an acronym
XP (did Microsoft ever tell the world what this means?)
PCI-16X : Peripheral Component Interconnect - 16x speed
2560 <-- not an acronym
Overclock <-- not an acronym
Direct X9 <-- not an acronym
Direct X10 <-- not an acronym
Open GL 2 : Open Graphics Language 2
DVI : Digital Video Interface
Analog <-- not an acronym
SLI : Scalable Link Interface (maybe. there are many things this stands for.)
? <-- not an acronym
JJK : James J. Kizak (sorry, i don't know what the second J stands for.
JJKizak wrote on 5/21/2007, 5:45 AM
Thanks. "J" is for John.
JJK
fishbelt wrote on 5/21/2007, 5:54 AM
Intel (R) 848p chip set, AGP Video card. No cross fire. Searched for driver up dates. Or maybe my PC is showing it's age. Tried to up date to Raseon X1300 pro 256mp. XP with 2gb of ram. Just would not work. I like ATI cards and they worked great for me. I do some 3d stuff and the new Geforce 7600GS, I put in isn't near as good. Fishbelt
TheHappyFriar wrote on 5/21/2007, 6:07 AM
Intel (R) 8201BA chip set, AGP Video card. No cross fire. Searched for driver up dates. Or maybe may PC is showing it's age.

AMD has nothing to do with the chipset, that's Intel & MS. ATI didn't ditch AGP driver support, just pre-XP support. Can't find drivers unless you say what you have.

XP = eXtremely Prickly. :)
fishbelt wrote on 5/21/2007, 6:50 AM
Too old to be picky.....LOL. I would not think ATI would drop their support for Intel. I spent two days looking for drivers, card and chipset. It just would not work. So I replaced it with Geforce. Most likely my PC is out of date. ATI cards work great for me most of the time.Thanks for your help Happy.
fishbelt
OS Name Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 Build 2600
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
System Type X86-based PC
Processor x86 Family 15 Model 2 Stepping 9 GenuineIntel ~2806 Mhz
Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)"
Total Physical Memory 2,048.00 MB
Available Physical Memory 1.26 GB
Total Virtual Memory 2.00 GB
Page File Space 3.35 GB
Page File F:\pagefile.sys
cpu intel pen 4
chipset intel 848 mch, intel ich5
TheHappyFriar wrote on 5/21/2007, 8:23 AM
What was the specific video card though?

EDIT: btw, I haven't owned a MB with an intel chipset since ~the mid/late '90's with an Intel MMX 200. After my P3 I went with AMD.
fishbelt wrote on 5/24/2007, 10:49 PM
Sorry been busy.. Radeon X1300 Pro 256mb AGP. Yes my PC is showing it's age. Looking forward to updating a soon as I can afford to. fishbelt
TheHappyFriar wrote on 5/25/2007, 6:15 AM
so the ATI driver doesn't work at all? Try the Omega drivers. They have more options anyway. :)

but that card isn't that old, only a few years (old in tech terms, not age). should work find with any AGP system (you DID install the MS AGP drivers for windows, right? Don't know if you need those for non-AMD systems)
fishbelt wrote on 5/27/2007, 6:24 AM
ATI card worked as far as starting but it was weired and had some scambling, like data blocks on the screen. I was afraid it was going to crash the system. I did try to use different drivers but not Omega drivers. Some years ago I had a video card do something simaler and it blew the hard drive. So I didn't push the issue too much, just figured it was not compatable with my computer. A computer geek friend of mine said it was chips set or speed issue. Thanks for the help Friar.
fishbelt
TheHappyFriar wrote on 5/27/2007, 10:13 AM
doubt it's a chipset or speed (cpu?) issue. sounds more like overheating/clocking making it go bonkers. Happened to my ATI AIW 9600. I OC'd it & then it started to show "sparkles". Then the sparkles wouldn't go away. Put in my HTPC & it works great (no 3d = no sparkles!)

what did you end up doing with the card?
fishbelt wrote on 5/27/2007, 11:41 PM
I returned it to the store (Best Buy) and got a GeForce 7600GS. Works good but I think ATI cards seem to me better for the buck. I have to tweak the GeForce card for some 3d software application. ATI card It was not necessary. I can't get Omega drives to work with this Geforce card either? I don't over clock, can't say for sure it was not heat related. I need a PC overhaul but can't do it now. Multi core seems the way to go and maybe the prices will come down some. Some years ago now I use to have a Voodoo 5 card, that thing was great too bad they went out.
TheHappyFriar wrote on 5/28/2007, 6:23 AM
the guy who made the Omega drivers doesn't do much with Geforce cards. He prefers ATI cards.

I'd say the bang-per-buck ratio slides back and forth (depending on what you want to do). I got my ATI cards for games (like my old VooDoo cards, which were great). GF cards have issues with other games (that I own) so I'm sticking with ATI. :)

The 7600 is better then the x1300 though. I'd check online for prices too. Many times retail stores have sales you can get online but pickup in store and online retailers many MANY times have really cheap prices, if you don't mind the wait (I got an ATI x1950 Pro for $200. The ATI 9800 Pro's sell for ~$125, you can see the value there).