Vegas and Boxx Computers

musman wrote on 11/5/2003, 3:50 AM
Checked out the Boxx site today and saw it does not have Vegas as an editing software option anymore. Looks like premiere pro is now their 'prefered' software.
Am I crazy, or wasn't vegas offered there before? On my next project I'd like to go with either film or HD content and wanted a computer with power to handle this. Any thoughts if Boxx is not an option?
Also, pure speculation, but could this have anything to do with Sony's being a competitor of sorts to Boxx and Adobe clearly not being one?

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farss wrote on 11/5/2003, 5:33 AM
How is Sony a competitor of any sorts?

Anyway as far as I know Boxx are only a systems integrator. You can buy the same (or better) parts that they do and put a system together yourself and load whatever software you want onto it. Maybe the only bit you cannot buy is the stick on Boxx bits.

With regard to the film and HD part it really depends on just how seriously you want to get into this area. What you edit on is a small part of the cost. Avid are the kingpins in this area, not to say it cannot be done with VV but Avids line of products are built to do the job. You can edit a DV copy on Express, take the EDL into a HD suite, conform it and be editing HD with no real dramas.

If you're prepared to do some hard work then sure VV can do it al, although doing film in VV would be real tricky. I assume your talking about shoot fikm on 35 or S16, editing in a NLE and matching neg? This really is thr province of specialised systems. After all you're spending a fortune on cameras, stock and processing.
SonyEPM wrote on 11/5/2003, 8:34 AM
We did a few turnkey package promotions with Boxx awhile back but aren't actively doing that as of right now. Boxx does put together some very nice machines and if you want a Vegas hotrod, they'll do one up for you. Ask for ED.
musman wrote on 11/5/2003, 2:59 PM
Thanks for the responses. The next project will be either 16mm or HD. Have friends in town with access to both.
I was a little concerned about using Vegas for these purposes- especially film. I still have problems like 2 events next to each other should be joining, but you can see a bit of space b/t them- but if you try to join them then they overlap. If you click on the space b/t them Vegas will highlight the area but say it is 0 frames.
Weird little things like that, and there are a few others, happen that might cause problems for things meant to be frame accurate. This scares me, and was this what you meant by Vegas would be tricky to use for HD or film, farss?
What I liked about Boxx was that it looked like you could edit higher content stuff like HD and film and had sdi input and all that.
busterkeaton wrote on 11/5/2003, 3:11 PM
On their regular worksations, the 3dboxxes, and when you configure it , there are options for Vegas, Vegas +DVD, Acid and Sound Forge.
farss wrote on 11/5/2003, 3:19 PM
You should be having gaps, don't see any on my system, are you certain you have quantize to frames turned on?

Only issue with HD is sheer volume of data, with fast enough machine VV others report VV handles it fine. Big issue will be how you get the material in and out of the PC as out of the box VV doesn't support capture / PTT through an SDI card but there are workarounds.

Film I think presents some issues if you are actually editing film, by that I mean run film trhough telecine, edit DV in VV and then neg match. There is a small difference in the frame rate that can really trip you up. There was a post from SoFo some time ago about this. You would need to get your telecine man to give you film strip frame numbers burnt into teh video so you know exaclty which frame of the film you are really looking at. Even with that I then think there are some issues with audio sync on longform projects.

Of course if you're just coming off film and staying in video ignore all of the above. If that's what your doing why not try shooting on DVX100? Saving in stock would probably pay for the camera (sorry Kodak).
musman wrote on 11/6/2003, 12:58 AM
farss, you are a good man and thank you for your help. I'm hoping that the next version of vegas addresses both the no SDI support and issues with film. Do other editing softwares like FCP and AVid XDV have this problem?
Thank you for the help with the quantize to frame. I don't know how this ever got turned off and I wish I knew about it before- would have saved me hours. WHile we're on it, why does it exist at all?
Finally, I will probably shoot my upcoming feature on HD or 16mm for 2 reasons:
1- Tech Stuff. My last short did pretty well and looked pretty good, but at any reasonable distance things got fuzzy, and not quite in the same way that Depth of field yields. Also, with a good lens I could get depth of field with the 16mm or HD cam.
2- Respect. Every major festival I apply to looks down upon dv- it's even in their applications. Also, apparently the reason I did not win my local film festival was b/c the winning film was shot on super 35. Mind you, it barely garnered a polite applaud at it's ending where as the audience exploded for mine.
I still swell with anger when I think about this and what one judge said. He said about about the winning film "Eef zhey can make zhis film, zen zhey can make a film anywhere." I think he meant that the winning film showed it could produce a professional looking film based project. I suppose it angers me as other than film, my shot was more difficult to pull off. More actors doing more dynamic scenes, lots of visual comedy as silent film relies upon (mine is a Charlie Chaplin take off), lots of reflectors for outside shooting, and so on. I think people believe that all you have to do is point a digital camera where as a film camera is acomplecated fine instrument.
The one thing I learned from this judge, who teaches locally and has made a few movies( including one Hollywood film- though the 2 I've seen of his so far have been terrible- weak or changing plots)- shoot on something that pedants like him will respect. Ridiculous, but what can you do? except maybe get the dvx100 and lie saying it is 16mm.
farss wrote on 11/6/2003, 1:10 AM
The DVX100 is certainly an attractive proposition. You can get some nice adds as well, including focus follow units, sounds like you know enough to know how to use tha as well.

I think Avid are the only people that make a product designed for film cutting i.e. if you're going to actually endup cutting film, neg matching etc. But I could be wrong here, I'd be doing some serious research as your into big dollars. h

Regarding Quantize to Frames, that's so you can edit the audio down to microseconds. Very useful when you need it but as you've discovered remember to turn it back on.

BJ_M wrote on 11/6/2003, 1:45 PM
BOXX HD used to come with speed razor , but now comes with Premeire and Fusion (fusion was was used before also) ..

They are still using the letch cards .. ( I believe) ..

Laird and BOXX still offer fully configured Vegas systems. They both are really well made systems-- Laird has some really nice I/O built into thiers (which you could add to a BOXX system of course)