I understand why nested timelines is important in say after effects when working on titles ect. You could be using a lot of tecniques in a small amount of time. Perhaps Im missing something here BUT is nested Timelines really neccesary For normal editing ? Why not just render it then import it. Unless quality is a high priority but then surely you would be working uncompressed. And while rendering You can open another instance of Vegas and start work on the next segment.

Misleading subject title.

I thought it was going to be about music video.

Rock & ROLL Cameras!

RexA . ."I thought it was going to be about music video." This Forum IS a music video . .it's just done with text . .that's all . ..

Okay, y'old rockers:

A la Ian Drury - "Sex and drugs and Rock 'n Roll" . . .

.. or even better the Beatles, "All together now .. all together now .. all together now .. ALL together now . . . . "

. . .anyways . . . back to the Project .. had me Cuppa tea .. AlanC has come up with a superb "tweak" to the PictureWall .. just gonna play with it . .. I can't get locked ofr that? Can I?

Seeyah Mates!

Grazie

Mark

Perhaps a hypothetical scenario involving nested timelines ...

I have a project where I want to build a fairly complicated opening sequence. For this, I need 17 tracks of video. I don't necessarily want the whole project to have 17 tracks, since this will make it harder to work with.

Solution - in nested Timeline No 1, I build my opening sequence. In Timeline 2, I have the main project. The opening sequence from Timeline No.1 is represented by a single "virtual" clip at the beginning of Timeline 2.
Anytime I want to make a change to the opening sequence, I can pop back to Timeline 1 and change something. Each change I make immediately flows through to the virtual clip in Timeline 2 ....

Can you see the difference in workflow?

Thanx Peter . .couldn't 'ave put it better meself , me ole Mucker!!
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Grazie

Thanks Peter. Yes and no, to your answer. I use Tsunami to bring me work back or forth. IF I had 17 tracks below dECKS. I would just use the ones at the top for me Segment that dident need 17. Also The 17 tracks I would possibly limit to 5 minutes of work. As It would/Could be a long render. And I would not want to have to rerender a bigggg Project because of simple mistakes. Anyway perhaps now I am talking about personal preferences. SO For me I would not see a need for nested Timelines. Although if Vegas 5 has this ability then I will play with it.

Thanks for acknowledging my Post :)

When I was working with Premiere I always found nested timelines problamatic and complicated. I would much rather use Mark's solution (and have many times). The beauty of Vegas is, as Grazie says, multiple instances, all working at once.

Help explain this to me as I'm from the AE and Premier Pro camp.

If one has a complicated veg project, you saying that one can open the same project in several versions of Vegas and render, let's say, the first 50% of the timeline, in the first version, while editing the second 50% in the second version. Can't this get confusing?

What do you do then? Where do you put those rendered avi clips? Into a third clean version or do you reimport them and overlay onto a new track of your other versions.

In other words, can someone give me a good system for using multiple versions of Vegas to optomize project editing and rendering?

-Marcs

Hey Mark, could you elaborate (and explain) please;
<<I use Tsunami to bring me work back or forth>>
how?

<<IF I had 17 tracks below dECKS. I would just use the ones at the top for me Segment that dident need 17>>
I don't even know what decks are : (
TIA,
Randy

I think the idea would be once a Segment has been nested then you could start a new segment with a nice clean media bin and time line Then when you render the whole project the nests render with frame acuracy to whats on the timeline or render everything as nests Or undue nest and join up with current timeline. Then add Music track ect to tie nests together. Of course if you want to use footage from old nest you would have to reimport Either from within vegas or outside.

What could work ? would be. If once nested it could be used like a movie clip and placed on the timeline. Wherever YOU want IT. Then joined to current clip on timeline. As long as the Player could play back the Nest and the current timeline in one GO.

Then this could be good IF not GREAT.

bUT AS Im pretty sure that it would not be like this.

Thanks Paul Im with you :)

Randy Decks are different levels like on a boat or a Starship. Also Tsunami Is a Vegas Script written By our very own jetdv Edward Troxel. Anway with Tsunami you can move everything before the Cursor or after. To anywhere on the Timeline. This is really COOL because If you started editing at the beginning. You would have to move everything you had done, to put a new clip in front. This is time consuming and you might not get it how you had it. BUT Fear not.. Like a fearsome JET. Ed DV came to the rescue.

I hope this explains It

BTW Wish I lived in Hawai.

<<I use Tsunami to bring me work back or forth>>
Ahh, you mean within the same project; I thought Tsunami did something i didn't know about for a sec...yes, I use the "select all before/after the cursor often". In fact, since I got Tsunami I have removed the "auto ripple" button from my toolbar (auto ripple has messed me up more than a couple of times when I noticed way later that not everything had moved after deleting a section).
I still don't understand the other stuff you were talking about but don't worry about it : )
Thanks,
Randy

Randy I assume you mean me Nesting "Explanation" :( I Know what you mean. But any way. I will try to explain it again:)

You have made A short segment.

Say 17 Tracks.

Right imagine if you could combine all those tracks into one and keep it in your media bin, or on the timeline. In a new instance of Vegas. This would save space and enable you to start again.

THAT is the idea

Personally I Dont mind the fact that there may be unused tracks below my new segment. And with the extra hassle involved (Probably) In the Nesting. I would not bother. However if it came with Vegas 5 I will still have a Play With it till it gets Discarded like some disused novelty Toy.

This is my take on what would probably Happen. The nest would not be moveable around the timeline. You would not be able to open it in current timeline. You would not be able to cross from one to the other like add transistions or sound effects that would cross at the edit point. also you would have to re import all the footage from the nest. Also for most of us this would not be used that often, and would probably forget what you learn to some extent between each usage.

I take Peters point. And if it could /did work in the manner he described then it would be usefull in certain cases. But still not enough for me to probably use.

I Think Paul summed it up :)

I'm a vegas user since version 2 and I must say I think this software is incredible. However, I think nested timelines would be a very useful addition. Vegas timelines can become messy and nested timelines could help make it cleaner and more organized. It would also help for compositing. I'm not a fan of Final Cut Pro, but the only thing I'm jealous of ar enested sequences...

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Nathaniel Im Only expressing My feelings Im sure that others may find it quite usefull I think everyone works differently in the same way perhaps an Artist might.

Anyway the thing Im most Jealous of with Final Cut Was Pink Floyds talent NoNo Just Kidding :) Its the Mojo I know Vegas does realtime but imagine full quality at biggish size !

I guess no software is the ultimate solution.

I do like the ability to work/have several instances of Vegas open at the same time. It could be interesting to extend this functionnality by allowing to drag a veg file into the media pool. Once dragged to the timeline it would appear as a big block, one could decide to open it and it would pop up another instance of Vegas. The advantage would be that no render would be required to get media from an instance to the other...

I was a Premiere user for many, many years because I had one of the big, fancy Matrox real-time video cards. I begged, pleaded and screamed for nested timelines for years with Adobe.

So sure enough, when I got rid of my Matrox a while ago and switched to Vegas, Adobe puts nested timelines in Premiere.

Looking on the bright side, I'm hoping it will at least provide the impetus for Sony to put nested timelines in Vegas. Nested timelines are by far my number one "wish" item for Vegas.

-nate

Let me get this straight?
Vegas Does Rock but No Make Fire?

Nat . .this I like - a lot! " . . to extend this functionnality by allowing to drag a veg file into the media pool. " . . .clever and obvious . . . hold that thought . ..

Grazie