Vegas+Firewire Device+Canopus . . all the time?

Grazie wrote on 3/13/2004, 12:44 AM
Who leaves their Firewire device - cammie, deck, stove [ that's a joke! ] - connected with their Canopus DV-AV-DV card/box - in my case the ACEDVio - while they Preview to External monitor, during a Vegas session?

I need to "disconnect" any firewire device "connected" to the Canopus to get External Monitor to play - otherwise blank screen . . . .. Any thoughts on this matter?

TIA

Grazie

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farss wrote on 3/13/2004, 2:39 AM
If it's anything like the ADVC-300 then you can use the analogue ins and outs OR the firewire port but NOT both at once as far as I know.

I always connect my other firewire devices to another port on the computer and even then at the odd time I've had them get confused, well at least the M-Audio driver thought the 300 was an audio device.
Grazie wrote on 3/13/2004, 2:45 AM
farss - thanks . . yeah, I'm guessing that this is very necessary, it makes sense . . not to get the card/box sent in a real tizzy. Yes I do have another f/w in. That's a direct link to the MoBo. This is where I've got my daisey of external f/w MAxtors plugged into.

Do you think this would be an option for me? . . . I'm really thinking the probs I'm getting are centered around the fact that I've got both Analogue INs/OUTs connected to the ACEDVio AND the firewire to the Panny deck on the same card too. What do you think?

TIA,

Grazie
kentwolf wrote on 3/13/2004, 5:08 AM
>>I'm really thinking the probs I'm getting are centered around the fact
>>that I've got both Analogue INs/OUTs connected to the ACEDVio
>>AND the firewire to the Panny deck on the same card too. What do
>>you think?

Personally, on my ADVC-100, I leave all analog (In & Out) and firewire connections connected all the time. Then, you can select if you want it Analog IN to the ADVC-100 or Digital IN to the ADVC-100 via a selector button on the ADVC-100...then, I have branched off of the analog connectors a series of A-B switches to select exactly what I want, when I want without having to connect/disconnect.

The only thing I have to connect/disconnet is the S-Video Out going to a set top DVD player for project checking. I think S-Video overrides something (Maybe firewire out?) that I don't want it connected all the time, but I can't remember right now.

Personally, I had real trouble with the Canopus firewire card version of the ADVC-100 (ADVC-50?), but without Analog OUT. It frequently would lose connectivity until you rebooted. The ADVC-100 has performed flawlessly from Day 1.

Maybe some devices just can't handle all connection connected all the time, but the ADVC-100 does.
farss wrote on 3/13/2004, 5:32 AM
It's a bit hard for me to be 100% certain as I've got the ADVC-300. I've never really tried using the f/wire port other than the one that goes to the PC. I have both the A/V ins and outs connect most of the time so I can monitor th eoutput of the procamp but when I switch between analogue and digital that controls the direction of the data along the firewire to the PC.

But maybe you're rigth, dman the box is out on hire so I cannot really check the manual, it's never been an issue for me as I've got 4 firewire ports onto the mobo so everything goes into its own port.

I've always thought of f/wire as being like SCSI, in theory you could daisy chain 7 devices but I know of no one how ever got that many to weork reliably. We used to managed about 4 before replfections from the stubs would mess with the signals. Maybe firewire is a bit better. One thing is to avoid trying write and read data at high speed down the one port, like I wouldn't put a HD and a VCR on the one port and try to capture form the VCR to the HD, too much bus going backwards and forwards for my liking. I know people do it all the time but as I don't need to do it I avoid it.
JJKizak wrote on 3/13/2004, 6:42 AM
I found it best to use one at a time as there are times that it will prevent the computer from booting. The SCSI stuff never gives me any problems when 15 devices are strung together. The firewire multi-device 67 devices capability is absolute nonsense. I have never been able to get two or more devices in series to work without some problem from booting using on board or Adaptec card ports and the Microsoft or the Texas Instruments driver. This includes XP Pro and Win2k.

JJK
kentwolf wrote on 3/13/2004, 9:47 PM
>>...firewire multi-device 67 devices capability is absolute nonsense...

I think even USB 1.0 was supposed to support something like a gazillion devices daisy-chained together. USB 2.0 I think now does 2 gazillion devices...
Grazie wrote on 3/14/2004, 5:31 AM
A one helluva BIG massive Grazie THANK YOU to Zcheema . . You are the MAN!

He spent 1 hour last night on the phone with me . .and this morning and another 1½ hours getting me up and going . . .

OKay:

1 / I 've got a Canopus ACEDVio with Analogue INs and OUTs. These I've got lopped together as ONE Scart gold plug to go to the back of the Panasonic 10000, on AV1

2 / I've got the f/w from the Canopus card going straight to the 10000.

3/ Phonos OUT from the Pannie to a SCART IN on the VHS VCR

4 / A R/F [ TV PAL ] into the VHS VCR and onwards to the PAL TV Monitor.

Okay this means I can:-

1 / Leave the f/w connected to the Pannie . . .

2/ Monitor on both the TV AND within Vegas VidCap simultaeneously that which I wish to Capture. This means that I can Preview all my shooting and ON THE FLY set INs and OUTs in Advance Capture . . .Bl@@dy Brilliant! ! ! ! ! . .THEN I can let Advance VidCap go away and do the necessary . . great! . . This is good and I'll tell you why at the bottom of all this .. it gets better . . .hahaha .. .

3/ I can now Print Directly from timeline footage onto the miniDV OR large format tape .. . playing with the Big Boys Now . . HAHA . .

4/ See what this looks like as it PTTs . . .. Stop or leave as I wish . .

5/ Having the Panasonic between the pc and the PAL Monitor I can elect to have the real T/C dsiplayed - thank you Mr Panny - and while it is "pouring" thourgh the Panny and the VHS VCR, Record a VHS draft for a client that they can then have and feedback to ne there INs and OUTs . . yes I could do this on my Canon cammie with it lashed upo to a tellie . .but this is far more stable and NPOT using the life blood of my Canon XM2 . yeah?

Okay, and overall, I can truly and properly PREVIEW my film work; get a feel for all of this; make some better aesthetic judgement calls on the "rushes"; decide more fundamentally what I want to capture to HD [ ho, this is good 'cos I can keep space available AND I don't need to "hoarde" stuff . . having easily attainable from my miniDVs is great . . ]; start to get a "feel" for the final video and its cinematography .. THIS I really mean . . and work on from this position.

. . . Guys, you are great . . Cheemie, well for once words are . .er what is . .how do I say . .? Oh yes, "escape me" . . . that's gotta be a first - eh?

I'm off to play some more .. Whoopppeee. .. .

Grazie