Vegas for SDE???

DJPadre wrote on 3/11/2008, 8:22 AM
OK, weve got a wedding SDE comiing up and im wanting to plan ahead... ive got some time in front of me, but id rather start on it now.

Ive got V7 and V8 on my lappy and for safety sake, i'll be runnign V7

The laptop is a Core 2 Duo 1.73ghz with 1gb ram. I find that it renders a little faster than my old sinlge core 3.0gb and with the nvidia 7300, magic bullet 2 renders about 3x realtime...
So a 6 minute SDE should tke about 15 to 18 minutes to render

So my thoughts are to only use MB2 for the filtering and run it all through the GPU, at least this way I wont be surprised with the render times... I do have tonnes of filter chains which ive built over the years, but its ben a very long time since ive done an SDE so i want to do afew practice runs.

I guess the only real way is to do a test run on certain filter chains, because rendering is going to be the biggest factor here, as Im shooting the SDE elements in DV, while the main elements of the wedding itself (non SDE elements) are being shot in HDV with canon A1's
I'll then be using that footage and capture as HDV for elements of the ceremony and some such.. and as we need to create DVD's (as opposed to a cineform AVi file fed from the laptop) downconverting might be somethign were going to need to do when we're done.
I need ot check if I can tap my lappy into their projecotrs as the venue is actually running all teh AV requirements (yay one less thing to think about)

Anyone have any thoughts on this? Like i siad, its been a while since weve doen one of these and in the past we used to bring along a desktop machien fitted with a Matrox RTx100 and do the edit on Premiere.
Now though with the laptops the way they are, were getting very good results, but im still concerned abotu render times...

if anyone has any thoughts, please feel free to pipe in..

Oh and im also using a firestore alongside tape, even though i wdotn trust the firestore, having it there might be a saving grace...

Comments

Spot|DSE wrote on 3/11/2008, 11:29 AM
Using MB on a laptop (IMO) more or less disqualifies the proposed process for SDE, simply because of the time it adds.
Without MBE, I'd not worry about the render times. I'd also downconvert at the camera for additional speed. You lose a tiny bit of quality, but gain a lot of time.
DavidMcKnight wrote on 3/11/2008, 2:59 PM
We do a few SDE's each season and Vegas rocks for this. Definitely test your renders w/ Magic Bullet; I would use something else myself, such as vasst film looks which should make for faster renders.

One other tip you might want to consider is to print to tape and playback from the camera instead of burning a dvd.
FrigidNDEditing wrote on 3/11/2008, 3:59 PM
I've done a total of 0 SDE's and very few weddings (that weren't me directing live cameras, and even still just a handful of those), so take this with a grain of salt.

1) Unless you're using the GPU accelerated version of Magic Bullet, don't use it.

2) I worked at WEVA last year and I spoke to a guy who talked about how he uses Vegas and does SDE's a lot ( blows everyone away to ). He takes a camera and records things for the SDE and then captures half the tape, starts cutting that first half of the tape, and then starts capturing the other half of the tape so when he's done with the first half, the other half is ready to start on. And in about an hour he has his SDE. (not sure if he uses a separate camera for the SDE stuff, or if he's just cutting the ceremony or what). He would just take a solid stream of footage ( no detected scenes ) and toss it in the trimmer, then start the next capture section going, and start selecting and tossing clips from the trimmer of the first half up on the timeline. After that, he'd arrange them as necessary (and I assume you'll have music etc... already laid out for it). and it might not hurt to even pre-marker the music on the beats so you can just plug and play (so to speak).

I hope this helps ( not sure if it will work well with your workflow, but it's a very efficient means of making the video quickly and getting it ready to go ).

Dave
Yoyodyne wrote on 3/11/2008, 4:59 PM
Pardon my ignorance but what does "SDE" stand for?
Spot|DSE wrote on 3/11/2008, 5:01 PM
Same Day Edit
DJPadre wrote on 3/11/2008, 11:04 PM
Sorry, i shoudl have been clear. Im using MB2 with an Nvidia card which is pushing 3x realtime (with MB2 using GPU), irrespective of the filter settings

Another thing i noticed, was that when i aplied my filter chains, it wasnt THAT significant of a change.
with a 3 minute test clip, MB2 took 9 minutes, without it, it took 7minutes
Source materail was on C drive and rendering out to USB powered HDD
DJPadre wrote on 3/11/2008, 11:09 PM
thx for the feedback guys... much appreciated...

1) Unless you're using the GPU accelerated version of Magic Bullet,
don't use it.

((Its MB2 and testing with progressive DV, it took 3x realtime. I did notice it in the past that redndering FROM a USB drive to the system drive was signifacantly quicker. Im yet to test this))


2) I worked at WEVA last year and I spoke to a guy who talked about how he uses Vegas and does SDE's a lot ( blows everyone away to ). He takes a camera and records things for the SDE and then captures half the tape, starts cutting that first half of the tape, and then starts capturing the other half of the tape so when he's done with the first half, the other half is ready to start on. And in about an hour he has his SDE. (not sure if he uses a separate camera for the SDE stuff, or if he's just cutting the ceremony or what). He would just take a solid stream of footage ( no detected scenes ) and toss it in the trimmer, then start the next capture section going, and start selecting and tossing clips from the trimmer of the first half up on the timeline. After that, he'd arrange them as necessary (and I assume you'll have music etc... already laid out for it). and it might not hurt to even pre-marker the music on the beats so you can just plug and play (so to speak).

((Sounds like a plan.. I do however plan on cpaturing the morning events during the ceremony while myself and 2 others film the ceremony directly.
From there, ill try to capture the ceremony elements while i edit, however i do not know how the streaming will cope with this.. as soon as i notice a dropped frame, im outta there. I dont want to waste time on testing theories so i'l also be experimenting with capture and edit.
What i DID plan on doing was to render and edit at the same time. As MB2 only uses 1 CPU thread, it shoudl adversely affect render times or editing playback frame rate

I guess mroe testing is needed.. but i do know this.. im stil using V7...
DJPadre wrote on 3/11/2008, 11:11 PM
Print to tape sounds like a plan... the render to MPG2 howeever is 5x realtime using MConcept MPG encoder, so i dont knwo how significant that will be considering we're also sttching the preshoot and slideshow in front of the SDE itself..
Yoyodyne wrote on 3/12/2008, 12:23 AM
Thanks DSE, funny...I've actually used Vegas for more than a few SDE's but not the quick turn around you guys are talking about.
DGates wrote on 3/12/2008, 2:28 AM
I did my first two SDE's with Vegas on a budget laptop. Worked out pretty well, but I didn't apply any filters. Heck, if I used any MB filters, the only audience would be the guy vacuuming the floor at the reception.

Maybe you could render one video file without any effects, so you can throw to if the MB render takes too long.

DJPadre wrote on 3/12/2008, 5:35 AM
Im going to try some combo meals (filter chains) as ive got several that are pretty close to what MB can pull off, but its obvioulsy not the same (obvious to me anyway.. )

im seriously thinking abotu taking my quad box, but in all honesty, wththe time frame were lookign at i really dont think rendering will bea problem.

Im specifcally shooting MY bits for teh SDE, so im shooting for the edit specifically. The other 2 are taking care of the rest for me

In any case, we doing afew dry runs with non SDE clients and testing the waters and are going to make a series of chains whcih utlise CPU efficiently.

Its been a very long time, and i dont doubt we can do this, but i do doubt the capabilities of Vegas..

Only time will tell i guess..