Vegas' handling of character maps

TorS wrote on 7/18/2003, 7:50 AM
Some months ago it was established here that some characters (like typographers' quotes) are not available in Vegas' text generator, even though they exist in the font used, and will show up right in an app like Word. The consensus was that this is a bug, but it was never commented by anyone at Sonic Foundry. Well I've been reminded of the phenomenon recently because I found a beautiful character in a dingbat font and simply can't get it in the text generator. (I know I can do it via PaintShop Pro.)

Will this issue be addressed by the developing team, and when can we expect results?
Tor

Comments

Sunfox wrote on 1/23/2004, 1:53 AM
Has anyone ever come up to a solution for this? I really, really, *really* (did I say really?) hate using improper characters for punctuation. In desktop publishing I've been using "real" quotes (instead of foot and inch marks) since the days of dot matrix printers, way before it became popular or automatic. I tend to notice and pan "professional" TV ads I see with bad quotes, but now I'm ending up with the same thing here in Vegas... but in this case it's not because I don't know the difference!
Grazie wrote on 1/23/2004, 2:22 AM
I can get curly quotes to appear in the Media Generator, but can't get them to preview OR RAM Rneder - ie supposedly output as curly - I'm supposing that the Render to new track wont do it, but haven't tried that yet . ... interested? If not I wont type anything further . .

Grazie
farss wrote on 1/23/2004, 2:52 AM
I've also heard that Ver 4.00 screwed up some of the Unicode support, I think it'll work OK for text but not in credit roll.

I've used some Chinese fonst and they worked OK but usually I do it in PS so I'm not too certain. Maybe someone else from a non Roman language could confirm if all is still well.
barleycorn wrote on 1/23/2004, 3:22 AM
“interested? If not I wont type anything further . .”

This has been investigated fairly exhaustively (have a look back through the archive) and unfortunately, established as an intractable bug.

The fact that's it's been around for a long, long time is not to Sonic Foundry or Sony's credit but I can only assume that the current Text generator has been abandoned and will be replaced in the next major version.
Grazie wrote on 1/23/2004, 3:29 AM
Hiyah Barley! In fact it was your thread way way back that I re-reviewed. But yes, the curly characters don't migrate to the final render OR the Preview . . very, very wierd and not a little frustrating.

Best regards,

Grazie
ClipMan wrote on 1/23/2004, 5:56 AM
....try alt+0147 and alt+0148....
Grazie wrote on 1/23/2004, 5:59 AM
Yes, that will "show" in the Media Generator window. But not in Preview OR when you Render . . I've tried it .. have you? If you have and have had success, how did you do it?

Grazie
ClipMan wrote on 1/23/2004, 6:13 AM
...set the font to Times New Roman for the quotes only...it's as close as your going to get......I usually use 0171 and 0187 (small double chevron") to offset words...
barleycorn wrote on 1/23/2004, 12:28 PM
“set the font to Times New Roman for the quotes only”

Changing the font makes no difference.

“it's as close as your going to get”

It's not remotely what's required.

“I usually use 0171 and 0187 (small double chevron") to offset words...”

Why on earth would you do that (unless you're setting French)?

May I suggest you look back over some of the earlier discussions before you offer any further potentially misleading advice.
Sunfox wrote on 1/24/2004, 12:41 AM
Since I'm a perfectionist, I decided to simply create a new TTF file with the characters from the font I need mapped to the keys 1, 2, 3 and 4 (for ‘ ’ “ ”).
TorS wrote on 1/24/2004, 4:11 AM
Sunfox,
What app did you use?
Were you able to force Vegas to render characters exactly like, say Word that way?
Tor
johnmeyer wrote on 1/24/2004, 9:31 AM
The title generator is the creature that escaped from the 1980's. If you want to do various rain dances, you can eventually get it to produce serviceable results, but lack of basic typographic characters -- things those of us in the desktop publishing industry made standard as far back as 1986 -- makes it completely unfit for any serious titling. Any titling application absolutely must have em and en dashes; typographic quotes; full support for entire Romance character set (e.g., àáâãäåæçèéêëìíîïðñòóôõöùúûüýþÿ, etc.).

I could go on, but hopefully someone at Sony is working on this. I'm mean even Pinnacle Studio has a decent titling application, and they put it in their lowest-end under-$100 program (Studio).
TorS wrote on 1/24/2004, 12:26 PM
Very handy for weddings, isn't it, the Romance character set?
Tor
ClipMan wrote on 1/24/2004, 2:31 PM
barleycorn

"before you offer any further potentially misleading advice"

..you make it sound like I gave instructions to format his disk...lighten up...was just trying to help...
Sunfox wrote on 1/24/2004, 2:31 PM
I did it in CorelDRAW. I had to make variouos trial font files before it looked "right" - first they were too high, then too close to the previous character, etc., but in the end I now have perfect quotes throughtout my titles. :-)