Vegas movie studio - rip off?

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PeterDuke wrote on 9/7/2011, 8:57 AM
"You might try WinDV, it's simple and free. I haven't tried it in Win7"

I have. It is the only thing I use to capture DV with. It names each clip according to shooting time and date which is invaluable to me. It optionally shows the video during capture but there is no sound.

Can't you monitor the video on your camera while you are capturing?
Ripped off wrote on 9/7/2011, 9:03 AM
Cheers Jerry, I had tried all options before contacting Sony.
Ripped off wrote on 9/7/2011, 9:09 AM
Peter Duke, This camcorder is new to me I used an XM2 before. I had just thought of using the camcorder monitor before I read your post. The display is a bit small but I guess I will have to do that.
I was more annoyed at the Sony help team dismissing the problem and taking almost a week to reply to my question.

Thanks
amendegw wrote on 9/7/2011, 9:09 AM
'Cheers Jerry, I had tried all options before contacting Sony."Tried them all before you discovered your flakey firewire connection? Suggest you click the "Default All" & try again.

...Jerry

System Model:     Alienware M18 R1
System:           Windows 11 Pro
Processor:        13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-13980HX, 2200 Mhz, 24 Core(s), 32 Logical Processor(s)

Installed Memory: 64.0 GB
Display Adapter:  NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Laptop GPU (16GB), Nvidia Studio Driver 566.14 Nov 2024
Overclock Off

Display:          1920x1200 240 hertz
Storage (8TB Total):
    OS Drive:       NVMe KIOXIA 4096GB
        Data Drive:     NVMe Samsung SSD 990 PRO 4TB
        Data Drive:     Glyph Blackbox Pro 14TB

Vegas Pro 22 Build 239

Cameras:
Canon R5 Mark II
Canon R3
Sony A9

Ripped off wrote on 9/7/2011, 9:11 AM
I looked at winDV but it had stopped being developed at XP so I did not think it would work with Vista.
Steve Mann wrote on 9/7/2011, 10:55 AM
Get the free trial version of Scenalyzer Live. It's a simple program that does just one thing - capture DV.

http://www.scenalyzer.com/download.html

It's all I ever used for capture for years until moving on to HDV
rmack350 wrote on 9/7/2011, 12:19 PM
Although I'm not using Studio I'll bet the capture apps are the same.

I've been capturing DV from a Sony DSR11 deck on a regular basis using vidcap for many years. Although Vidcap has some annoying quirks I've always been able to see a preview image from tape.

Others here have covered some of the bases in terms of plugging in the camera via firewire, and choosing settings in vidcap so I'll just add a couple of other points.

Vegas Pro has two capture applications. One is Vidcap, which is strictly for DV cameras, and the other is an internal application that's supposed to work with other sources such as HDV cameras. I imagine that Studio works the same way since it also needs to capture from these sorts of sources. So one thing to check is that you're really using the right application. In Vegas, choose File/Capture Video. You should get a dialog asking to select a capture format of either DV or HDV/SDI. You'd choose DV.

Also in that dialog is a checkbox to always use the selected format. If you tick this you'll not be shown this dialog again until you go into your preferences and change it back. In Vegas pro I don't see an obvious "public" place to make that change but it's probably on the Video tab in the prefs.

The other thing to make sure of is that Vegas doesn't actually have an issue with the canon GL2. Perhaps is does, which would be unfortunate because there's so little focus put on DV devices these days that you might never see SCS fix it.

Lastly, it's probably a good idea to make sure something outside of Vegas can see and control your camera. That'd be a good starting sanity check.

<edit>Another "lastly". Don't daisy chain your camera. plug it directly into your PC with a firewire cable. This may have been obvious but it needs to be said.</edit>

Rob Mack
musicvid10 wrote on 9/7/2011, 12:40 PM
Switching to a firewire card with a TI chipset solved all the problems for me.
Opampman wrote on 9/7/2011, 1:16 PM
Also, read this FAQ on the Sony support site and make certain all these steps are followed. Most are a rehash of what has been said above, but another trip through this checklist won't hurt.

https://www.custcenter.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1367/kw/Canon%20DV/related/1


Kent
Laurence wrote on 9/7/2011, 2:48 PM
Nobody has mentioned this yet, but maybe the firewire circuit on his camcorder is fried. If you are hot-plugging in your firewire connection, and on the computer end is the larger six pin variety of the Firewire connector, and by chance you try to plug in one of the connectors upside down, the power (one of those extra two connections) will jump across to the data lines and fry the firewire circuit inside your camcorder. This will cause symptoms much like you are seeing: firewire capture of video will no longer work with that camera. This is also one of the major reasons for some (of what seem like) extremely good deals on used camcorders.
amendegw wrote on 9/7/2011, 4:17 PM
"Nobody has mentioned this yet, but maybe the firewire circuit on his camcorder is fried."Yeah, I'm gunna bet a cup of coffee that when this finally gets resolved Rip will find that either that's the problem or it's a bad cable or a bad firewire card connector or something of this ilk.

I really have a hard time believing that this is a software problem with the Sony software - capturing DV video is something that Vegas has done successfully for years.

...Jerry

System Model:     Alienware M18 R1
System:           Windows 11 Pro
Processor:        13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-13980HX, 2200 Mhz, 24 Core(s), 32 Logical Processor(s)

Installed Memory: 64.0 GB
Display Adapter:  NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Laptop GPU (16GB), Nvidia Studio Driver 566.14 Nov 2024
Overclock Off

Display:          1920x1200 240 hertz
Storage (8TB Total):
    OS Drive:       NVMe KIOXIA 4096GB
        Data Drive:     NVMe Samsung SSD 990 PRO 4TB
        Data Drive:     Glyph Blackbox Pro 14TB

Vegas Pro 22 Build 239

Cameras:
Canon R5 Mark II
Canon R3
Sony A9

DavidMcKnight wrote on 9/7/2011, 4:22 PM
I've never seen a problem capturing DV, but I have seen a hugely frustrating issue capturing HDV with HP laptops a couple years ago. The firewire circuit just plain would not support it. (no app would capture it) Users had to get a pcmcia (or whatever the expansion slot was called) FW card to get it to work.

You have three items in the chain: camera, cable, and computer. I would try replacing each item one at a time to see where the problem lies. Vegas / VMS will capture DV just fine assuming all three are working.
Chienworks wrote on 9/7/2011, 6:21 PM
PCMCIA = "people can't memorize computer industry acronyms"

I'd say there's more than three items in the chain.

- camera
- cable
- computer's firewire adapter
- driver software (use only Microsoft's, never install the OEM driver!)
- Windows device manager/router*
- capture software.

* I had the most annoying and difficult to figure out problem capturing once. Everything seemed fine. I had captured successfully just a few minutes earlier. But now all i got were "device in use" errors. Shutting down VidCap & Vegas and the camcorder completely didn't clear it. I finally gave up and went to work on other things for the rest of the evening. Next morning I brought Windows Explorer to the front to go find some files and discovered that the incoming DV signal was playing in a preview window in Explorer. Somehow i had accidentally clicked the "Microsoft DV Camcorder" link in the explorer window and Windows was "stealing" my video. I clicked the Explorer window back to a hard drive, and VidCap's preview window came to life and let me capture again.
darbpw1 wrote on 9/8/2011, 2:43 PM
*"I've never seen a problem capturing DV, but I have seen a hugely frustrating issue capturing HDV with HP laptops a couple years ago. The firewire circuit just plain would not support it. (no app would capture it) Users had to get a pcmcia (or whatever the expansion slot was called) FW card to get it to work. "*
DavidMcKnight Sony Certified Vegas Editor

I'm in agreement. I had on-board firewire on my my machine with Win Vista 64, and no dice. Could see the camera but wouldn't capture. Then I bought a cheapo pci firewire card and BINGO, worked like a charm.

Now, if you have a laptop, might not be as easy a solution, but I would wager a cup o' java that it's your on-board firewire.

Just my two bits.