Vegas Output Quality help

djamm wrote on 7/19/2004, 2:38 PM
Hello everyone:

I am a wedding videographer and I am trying to increases the output quality of my work.

Everything I render comes out fuzzy or dithered, I know Vegas can do better than what I am getting.

If I author the raw avi footage from my cam... looks decent so I know its not dvd Architech or Procoder 2.0.

If I try to output uncompressed avi files the error "the file being rendered fas exceeded the maxium size allowed for the selected format. the 2 minuets of footage that remains actually looks decent enough so if anybody knows how to circumvent this error I am listening. I don't mind buying another two 250GB hards to accomodate these huge files.

the Sony YUV codex produces the same error.

I have tried most of the available codecs.

My question is what is the best codec to output the highest quality picture or what are the best settings in general for the highest output from Vegas?

I don't care if it takes days to render or if it requires more hardware or software.

I know that vegas can do it because it loks great when I print to tape and view fom the cam to a monitor.

What are the parameters of the raw avi captured footage?

Comments

djamm wrote on 7/19/2004, 2:40 PM
just to amend to the prvious messgae thanks everyone in advance for your help.

Darin
BJ_M wrote on 7/19/2004, 2:51 PM
since you have procoder ...... just do your editing in vegas and frame serve the output to procoder.

make sure your project properties match your source (if DV) in all respects first ...

if you are doing no resizing in vegas you can set project properties to good , instead fo best to speed up things ...

then just use the debugmode frame server and send your project to procoder 2.0 dvd mastering quality , bottom field first , 1 or 2 pass vbr or if space allws for high bit rate 8000 CBR

djamm wrote on 7/19/2004, 2:54 PM
great!! info I am checking "frame serve" in the manual could you elaborate on this please?
BJ_M wrote on 7/19/2004, 2:58 PM
i dont think it is in the manual ...

a search on these forums will turn up a lot of info and see here:

http://www.debugmode.com/frameserver/


http://www.debugmode.com/frameserver/usage.php

see also the links at the top of those pages above ..
farss wrote on 7/19/2004, 2:59 PM
Me thinks things are mighty confused here. If you applied no FXs to a piece of fooatge the qulaity out of Vegas is the same as the quality going in, it does nothing to it.
But it sounds like you're trying to make a DVD. How much video are you trying to fit onto the DVD? At 60 minutes the quality just encoding to mpeg-2 using the DVDA NSTC template should look dman good, drop the bitrate low enough to fit 90 minutes it's going to be hard to get a good results (but far from impossible), try to fit 2 hours and it's going to get even harder, at 3 hours, all I can say is good luck.
Also how are you viewing the output?
Many issues and very little info from you for anyone to offer solid advice.
busterkeaton wrote on 7/19/2004, 3:00 PM
Does procoder give higher quality mpeg output than Vegas?
BJ_M wrote on 7/19/2004, 3:03 PM
yes , procoder 2 in mastering mode is nearly equal, equal or better in some cases than encoders such as sonic hardware encoders and CCE SP -

procoder express uses the same encoding engine but lacks many of the features ..

vegas mpeg encoder is faster than procoder (in mastering mode) and can produce excellent results also - with the right settings, though there are not many to adjust..
djamm wrote on 7/19/2004, 3:12 PM
it seems so but not by much....based on compressing the same raw avi file in both dvd architech and procoder. But I do like the design options and batch processing. its a great tool.
djamm wrote on 7/19/2004, 3:21 PM
thanks BJ_M

this frame server seems amazing I hope this will help.
djamm wrote on 7/19/2004, 3:24 PM
Its is asking for rgb 24 rgb 32 or yuv2 which one is the best?
farss wrote on 7/19/2004, 3:29 PM
Given that we now have the ability to batch render from Vegas TL using a script doing 2 pass mpeg encodes is now fairly easy. I wonder how the 2 pass encodes from Vegas stack up against Procoder?
djamm wrote on 7/19/2004, 3:35 PM
Hey I like this frame server..its taking for ever to output the file but I don't care as long as the end result is clean :^)
BJ_M wrote on 7/19/2004, 3:50 PM
rgb24 or 32 is fine to use w/ procoder - it doesnt mater ..
djamm wrote on 7/19/2004, 11:17 PM
but what would be the purpose of and nle if your rendering projects witout effects my friend.

I am very impressed with frame server it has improved my system in many ways. I have't been able to get vegas render agent working but I think the errors I am getting may be my system.

anywhoo

frame server allows me to render files from Vegas to procoder in one swoop. The output is alittle better now but I still want more. I am begining to think that the border effect I have around the whole video is dithering the output a bit now testing this.

BJ_M would you happen to know if there is a better caputre app out there that I can pull more quality from the tape in a better avi compression file?
djamm wrote on 7/19/2004, 11:18 PM

I am very impressed with frame server it has improved my system in many ways. I have't been able to get vegas render agent working but I think the errors I am getting may be my system.

anywhoo

frame server allows me to render files from Vegas to procoder in one swoop. The output is alittle better now but I still want more. I am begining to think that the border effect I have around the whole video is dithering the output a bit now testing this.

BJ_M would you happen to know if there is a better caputre app out there that I can pull more quality from the tape in a better avi compression file?
apit34356 wrote on 7/20/2004, 12:08 AM
BJ_M: Thank you for your help about frame serving TGA files thru VEGAS!


AJP
farss wrote on 7/20/2004, 12:51 AM
The vast majority of footage shouldn't need any FXs applied, apart from maybe color correction. The portions that has no FXs applied will be rendered exactly the same as the camera captured them.

So if you are encoding to mpeg-2 for DVD, the big question is what bitrate are you encoding at and are you using 2 pass encoding, two pass is not enabled by default. It'll increase your encoding time but will give a better result.