Vegas Post: Vegas Effects, & Vegas Image

Dexcon wrote on 5/14/2021, 7:41 AM

1. Are Vegas Effects and Vegas Image included when you purchase Vegas Post, or are these separate products purchased separately?

The Vegas Pro Post Suite includes Vegas Effects and Vegas Image - and Sound Forge Pro 14 as well - in the purchase price as per the product description in https://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/us/vegas-post/ - hence the much higher purchase price over Vegas Pro standard/Edit.

2. Is Vegas Effects the same as the 3rd party products which are included with Vegas Post such as Boris FX, etc?

Vegas Effects has no relationship to BorisFX other than as possibly accepting BorisFX plugins. Vegas Effects is a trimmed down version of FXHome's HitFilm Pro sans Mocha and Foundry at the very least. I don't think that any BorisFX plugins ship with the Post Suite. The Post Suite product page given above tells you exactly what you get with Post. Please don't assume that extras like BorisFX plugins offered in other packages like the Vegas Pro 18 Suite also ship with the Post Suite - that is not the case.

3. If I install an update of Vegas Pro 18, does it include updates for Vegas Effects and Vegas Image or are these separate updates?

Others on the forum will be better placed to answer this.

Mohammed_Anis wrote on 5/14/2021, 7:42 AM

I've been using Vegas Pro and have recently been looking into getting Vegas Post but I'm kind of confused as it relates to the 3rd Party included Packages, Vegas Effects and Vegas image products.

I'm able to look at the feature comparisons of the Vegas products and see Vegas Post includes Borix FX, NewBlue Transistions, Action VFX, etc not included with the Pro version.

But then I additionally see there are "Vegas Effects" and "Vegas Image" products available only for the Post version which are not shown in the Vegas feature comparison matrix. I also see separate update releases available for Vegas Effects and Vegas Image products.

I guess what I'm confused about are the following.

1. Are Vegas Effects and Vegas Image included when you purchase Vegas Post, or are these separate products purchased separately?

2. Is Vegas Effects the same as the 3rd party products which are included with Vegas Post such as Boris FX, etc?

3. If I install an update of Vegas Pro 18, does it include updates for Vegas Effects and Vegas Image or are these separate updates? Say for example if I were to Update Vegas Post Suite from v18.0 build 482 to the latest released 527 build, would it include updates for Vegas Effects and Vegas image, or are these updates which need to be done separately?

TIA for any help in clearing up my confusion.

VEGAS IMAGE & VEGAS Effects are software packages that alongside with VEGAS PRO make up "VEGAS POST" Both components are thus VEGAS products and not necessarily third party.

They originate from FXHOME, and are originally known as Imerge Pro and Hitfilm respectively.

However, these versions are designed to be more optimized for VEGAS Integration. The VEGAS Team and Fxhome are old time friends, so they've had a tight knit collaboration for years.

In this instance, VEGAS Effects is the answer to Adobe After Effects while VEGAS IMAGE is a unique hybrid between Photoshop and Lightroom in a non-destructive environment; meaning, no matter what you do, its impossible to destroy a pixel inside it unless you export the product.

The updates, are more or less done separately.

Whenever HItfilm (the ancestor) gets an update, VEGAS Effect gets that same update 3 months later. That's a good thing, because it tends to have gone through the necessary refinements that came from a potentially buggy release.

The takeaway from this, however is that if you want to file a support ticket for VEGAS EFFECTS or VEGAS Image, you would have to do it at Fxhome, since they're the main developers. Otherwise, your feedback will just be forwarded to them.

I hope I've answered your questions properly.

RogerS wrote on 5/14/2021, 7:43 AM

Vegas Post is Effects (compositing) and Image (still picture editing) plus Vegas Pro (video editing).
Boris, etc. are just extra plugins.

The update schedules seem to be different. You can update to 527 now but there is no corresponding update to Effects or Image. It's probably because FxHome (Hitfilm) develops Vegas Post and Vegas Creative Software develops Vegas Pro.

Rednroll wrote on 5/14/2021, 8:15 AM

The Post Suite product page given above tells you exactly what you get with Post. Please don't assume that extras like BorisFX plugins offered in other packages like the Vegas Pro 18 Suite also ship with the Post Suite - that is not the case.

As I mentioned in my Post, I wasn't really making assumptions. I was viewing the product feature comparison page which can be found linked below, which is much more convenient then scouring through a product page and trying to figure out the differences between the Pro and Post suite. You will see from the product comparison page, it shows the Boris FX packages are included with the Vegas Post Suite. As well Sound Forge 14 is included with the Pro version, where it seems you may have been making some incorrect assumptions. 😉

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/us/vegas-pro/product-comparison/

Rednroll wrote on 5/14/2021, 8:22 AM

VEGAS IMAGE & VEGAS Effects are software packages that alongside with VEGAS PRO make up "VEGAS POST" Both components are thus VEGAS products and not necessarily third party.

They originate from FXHOME, and are originally known as Imerge Pro and Hitfilm respectively.

However, these versions are designed to be more optimized for VEGAS Integration. The VEGAS Team and Fxhome are old time friends, so they've had a tight knit collaboration for years.

In this instance, VEGAS Effects is the answer to Adobe After Effects while VEGAS IMAGE is a unique hybrid between Photoshop and Lightroom in a non-destructive environment; meaning, no matter what you do, its impossible to destroy a pixel inside it unless you export the product.

The updates, are more or less done separately.

Whenever HItfilm (the ancestor) gets an update, VEGAS Effect gets that same update 3 months later. That's a good thing, because it tends to have gone through the necessary refinements that came from a potentially buggy release.

The takeaway from this, however is that if you want to file a support ticket for VEGAS EFFECTS or VEGAS Image, you would have to do it at Fxhome, since they're the main developers. Otherwise, your feedback will just be forwarded to them.

I hope I've answered your questions properly.

That definitely helps. So does that mean Vegas Effects and Vegas Image are separate stand alone products also like Adobe AFX and Photoshop?

Do you happen to know if they typically get updated when you update the Vegas Post Suite? Then I'm assuming since they come from other developers they are additionally updated separately until the Vegas developers include these updates as part of a Vegas Post Suite update?

Pete wrote on 5/14/2021, 8:28 AM

3. If I install an update of Vegas Pro 18, does it include updates for Vegas Effects and Vegas Image or are these separate updates?

Others on the forum will be better placed to answer this.

As someone whose purchased Vegas Post (Pro 17, Effect 1.0 and Image 1.0) and then Vegas Post Suite (Pro 18, Effects 2.0 and Image 2.0) I found out that the updates come from within Vegas and not the individual applications. I believe once FXHome, the creators of Hitfilm and Imerge are done updating their applications, they send the updates over to Magix and from there Magix bundles the updates along with a new version of Vegas.

Dexcon wrote on 5/14/2021, 8:33 AM

it seems you may have been making some incorrect assumptions

I think that you have identified where your confusion lies. The link that you have provide just above is to the various versions of Vegas Pro, not Vegas Post Suite.

Your original post is specifically about Vegas Post Suite, but you are now referencing your expectations to the non-Post versions of Vegas Pro offerings and conflating those offerings into Post. It is disappointing that you accuse of me of making a wrong assumption when it is you that has apparently not realised the difference between the inclusions in Vegas Pro versions as against those in the Vegas Pro Suite. If you are interested in Vegas Pro Post Suite, please refer only to the Post's product page of https://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/us/vegas-post/ for that product's inclusions.

Rednroll wrote on 5/14/2021, 8:36 AM

3. If I install an update of Vegas Pro 18, does it include updates for Vegas Effects and Vegas Image or are these separate updates?

Others on the forum will be better placed to answer this.

As someone whose purchased Vegas Post (Pro 17, Effect 1.0 and Image 1.0) and then Vegas Post Suite (Pro 18, Effects 2.0 and Image 2.0) I found out that the updates come from within Vegas and not the individual applications. I believe once FXHome, the creators of Hitfilm and Imerge are done updating their applications, they send the updates over to Magix and from there Magix bundles the updates along with a new version of Vegas.

Thank you! That makes sense!

So it sounds like the updates for Effects and Image are included with the Vegas Post Suite update, but there are times where they provide separate updates for Effects and Image that get released prior to Magix creating a bundled Vegas Post suite release.

RogerS wrote on 5/14/2021, 8:40 AM

3. If I install an update of Vegas Pro 18, does it include updates for Vegas Effects and Vegas Image or are these separate updates?

Others on the forum will be better placed to answer this.

As someone whose purchased Vegas Post (Pro 17, Effect 1.0 and Image 1.0) and then Vegas Post Suite (Pro 18, Effects 2.0 and Image 2.0) I found out that the updates come from within Vegas and not the individual applications. I believe once FXHome, the creators of Hitfilm and Imerge are done updating their applications, they send the updates over to Magix and from there Magix bundles the updates along with a new version of Vegas.

Thank you! That makes sense!

So it sounds like the updates for Effects and Image are included with the Vegas Post Suite update, but there are times where they provide separate updates for Effects and Image that get released prior to Magix creating a bundled Vegas Post suite release.

No, not really. Effects and Image updates are only released by Magix so any updates to Hitfilm are not available or helpful to you as a Vegas Post customer. It's just a FYI that they'll be coming eventually. Vegas Pro updates come on a different schedule entirely.

Rednroll wrote on 5/14/2021, 8:53 AM

No, not really. Effects and Image updates are only released by Magix so any updates to Hitfilm are not available or helpful to you as a Vegas Post customer. It's just a FYI that they'll be coming eventually. Vegas Pro updates come on a different schedule entirely.

Here's where my confusion on updates are coming from. Magix has a update page linked below which shows separate updates for Vegas 18, Vegas 17 as well as separate Vegas Effects and Vegas Image updates. My thought was that if you purchased Vegas 17 Post Suite, and there wasn't a Vegas 17 release, you would use these separate Effects and Image updates to be able to update the Effects and Image releases for Vegas Post 17 suite? Or possibly these separate releases are put out ahead of a Vegas 18 Post suite update?

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/news-forum/patches/

RogerS wrote on 5/14/2021, 9:20 AM

No, not really. Effects and Image updates are only released by Magix so any updates to Hitfilm are not available or helpful to you as a Vegas Post customer. It's just a FYI that they'll be coming eventually. Vegas Pro updates come on a different schedule entirely.

Here's where my confusion on updates are coming from. Magix has a update page linked below which shows separate updates for Vegas 18, Vegas 17 as well as separate Vegas Effects and Vegas Image updates. My thought was that if you purchased Vegas 17 Post Suite, and there wasn't a Vegas 17 release, you would use these separate Effects and Image updates to be able to update the Effects and Image releases for Vegas Post 17 suite? Or possibly these separate releases are put out ahead of a Vegas 18 Post suite update?

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/news-forum/patches/

Let's avoid the ad-hominem attacks. It helps nobody.

I have Post, FYI... but haven't had it for so long. If your question how long you can update Effects/Image for I'm not sure. It doesn't have a number on it (it's just "Vegas Post") so updates may be for longer than the annual cycle Vegas Pro is on? That's a good question.

The EULA suggests it's 12 months from purchase but the link from
https://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/us/eula/
To Vegas Pro, Vegas Post, Vegas Post 365, etc. are all the same file so that just seems wrong.

2.3 With regard to updates and features delivered within the scope of the MAGIX update guarantee, the following applies: The license for updates and features delivered within the 12 months after initial registration of the MAGIX product is limited to the installation(s) in place at the point when the 12-month period expires. If the update guarantee is extended beyond the 12-month period, this limitation does not apply.

Logistically I can say that you can install the patches as they are released. When you open Effects or Image it will prompt you to update both. Or you can download the file manually. It will have no effect on your Vegas Pro editing software.

Rednroll wrote on 5/14/2021, 9:43 AM

I've been using Vegas Pro for quite some time, actually since version 1.0 so you could say I'm somewhat familiar with the update duration periods so that's really not where my questions reside.

Just trying to figure out the reason there are separate Vegas Effects and Vegas Image release updates as I linked previously and understand if I need to update those separately when I update Vegas Post suite and when the next major version release of Vegas Post Suite comes out, as in the example I gave of version 17 to 18, then Vegas Effects and Vegas image can be updated separately since they seem to be separate stand alone products which have been enhanced to integrate with Vegas.

Here's the direct link of the post from Magix where separate Vegas Effects and Image update releases were provided. Trying to understand prior to purchase if they need to be updated separately when Vegas Post Suite has an update.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-post-suite-update-3--128194/

I've avoided bundled Vegas package releases in the past, since based on history that's a slippery slope to follow. The reason being is that when the next version of Vegas comes out, suddenly the bundled 3rd party plugin software which was included with the previous version are no longer compatible with the newer Vegas version. These are the things I'm trying to avoid, and am just being cautious about since I've seen it happen before. You get used to using certain tools and its features, then all of a sudden they no longer work in the next version and they've been pulled from he next version release since they were coming from a 3rd party developer.

KeithH wrote on 5/14/2021, 10:19 AM

I was wondering also, because im thinking of buying it too. I contacted fxhome yesterday (depending on the time of day they have a live chat person. I asked them the difference between Vegas Post or just buying Vegas Pro and the fx Ignite and Imerge. They gave me this link to their forum

https://community.fxhome.com/discussion/50547/vegas-post-and-hitfilm

from what i read online from various places, two to three months after an update comes out for FXhome imerge or Ingit for their own product, they worked through threir own bugs, and then they send that stable code to the Vegas team and then the vegas team takes that code and has to implement it into vegas effects and image and then we would get the update from vegas. Again this is what im reading from various forum posts around the internent, so this is not what Magix told me or anything like that. If you find out more, I would like to know

RogerS wrote on 5/14/2021, 10:23 AM

So you are saying that Vegas Post follows the Vegas Pro release duration periods for Effects/Image. Maybe so, I find that unclear as there is no version number. Does someone who got it in 2019 know?

"Trying to understand prior to purchase if they need to be updated separately when Vegas Pro Suite has an update."

Just to clarify upgrade = new versions (more $) and update means patches within a version.

Vegas Post Suite is just Pro + Effects and Image. There is no program called Post to update so there is nothing to update separately. Effects and Image are on an entirely separate schedule from Pro. When VP 18 upgrades to VP 19 will there be a new version of Effects and Image, too? Possibly not for a while given the different release schedule. The third update appears to be over two years... does someone who bought Post in 2019 get to update it in 2021? Unsure.

The region I'm in has different bundles so no idea about that as I don't have any Boris or other Fx. Post itself is not a bundle and can be thought of as first-party. In the past Post came with no Boris or any other bundled Fx.

KeithH wrote on 5/14/2021, 10:29 AM

I thought it was understood that we all knew they are three separate programs but they interconnect. Just like a patch comes out for Vegas Pro one would come out separately for Vegas Effects and another for Vegas Image in a fashion like I mentioned above; However I do not know for a fact. I am going off many forum posts from people that have post (not everyone that Has Vegas Post uses this forum: heck the Reddit VegasPro group is ten times more busy than this forum)

RogerS wrote on 5/14/2021, 10:32 AM

Keith, I have Vegas Post, no need to speculate.

KeithH wrote on 5/14/2021, 10:37 AM

Roger then it sounds like you are right, and maybe I am also from what i found out on the internent forums about how the 2 to three months after FXhome releases their new versons they are stable, send the code to vegas creative software and then the vegas team has to take that code and intergrat it into Vegas Effects (maybe as their time allows??) before they send an update patch or whatever it called.

Rednroll wrote on 5/14/2021, 10:56 AM

I'm still uncertain about the inclusion of the Boris FX, NewBlue, and Action VFX bundled plugins with the Vegas Post Suite.

On this product comparison page with screen shot attached for convenience, it shows they are included with the "Vegas PRO 18 Suite". I looked for a ""Vegas PRO 18 Suite" product on their main website but it doesn't exist so I "assumed" it was a typo which was intended to say "Vegas POST 18 Suite" which does exist. Can anyone confirm or not if they're included as part of the Vegas POST suite? If not then someone at Magix needs to update their website because I would be pretty upset if I decided to purchase the Vegas POST suite based off of their product comparison listing when their isn't a Vegas Pro Suite and those plugins didn't come with the Vegas Post Suite.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/us/vegas-pro/product-comparison/

KeithH wrote on 5/14/2021, 11:00 AM

I'm still uncertain about the inclusion of the Boris FX, NewBlue, and Action VFX bundled plugins with the Vegas Post Suite.

On this product comparison page with screen shot attached for convenience, it shows they are included with the "Vegas PRO 18 Suite". I looked for a ""Vegas PRO 18 Suite" product on their main website but it doesn't exist so I "assumed" it was a typo which was intended to say "Vegas POST 18 Suite" which does exist. Can anyone confirm or not if they're included as part of the Vegas POST suite? If not then someone at Magix needs to update their website because I would be pretty upset if I decided to purchase the Vegas POST suite based off of their product comparison listing when their isn't a Vegas Pro Suite and those plugins didn't come with the Vegas Post Suite.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/us/vegas-pro/product-comparison/

No, none of those extras with "Vegas Pro Suite" come with "Vegas Post". The reason is your basically getting adobe Premier Pro, Adobe after Effects, and and image compositor with Vegas Post Suite. (Vegas' version of the Adobe Suite anyways. But no, you do not get any of the addons you see on the Vegas Pro Suite with the Vegas Post Suite ((i know i was confused too, but i tried the trial and the Vegas Effects is very nice)

Rednroll wrote on 5/14/2021, 11:08 AM

I'm still uncertain about the inclusion of the Boris FX, NewBlue, and Action VFX bundled plugins with the Vegas Post Suite.

On this product comparison page with screen shot attached for convenience, it shows they are included with the "Vegas PRO 18 Suite". I looked for a ""Vegas PRO 18 Suite" product on their main website but it doesn't exist so I "assumed" it was a typo which was intended to say "Vegas POST 18 Suite" which does exist. Can anyone confirm or not if they're included as part of the Vegas POST suite? If not then someone at Magix needs to update their website because I would be pretty upset if I decided to purchase the Vegas POST suite based off of their product comparison listing when their isn't a Vegas Pro Suite and those plugins didn't come with the Vegas Post Suite.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/us/vegas-pro/product-comparison/

No, none of those extras with "Vegas Pro Suite" come with "Vegas Post". The reason is your basically getting adobe Premier Pro, Adobe after Effects, and and image compositor with Vegas Post Suite.

Thanks makes more sense now. They must have pulled those plugin inclusions and replaced them with Vegas Effects and Vegas Image products but they haven't updated their website product comparison to reflect those changes. Explains why Vegas Effects and Vegas Image also aren't listed on that feature comparison page which is where all of my original confusion originated.

KeithH wrote on 5/14/2021, 11:15 AM

I'm still uncertain about the inclusion of the Boris FX, NewBlue, and Action VFX bundled plugins with the Vegas Post Suite.

On this product comparison page with screen shot attached for convenience, it shows they are included with the "Vegas PRO 18 Suite". I looked for a ""Vegas PRO 18 Suite" product on their main website but it doesn't exist so I "assumed" it was a typo which was intended to say "Vegas POST 18 Suite" which does exist. Can anyone confirm or not if they're included as part of the Vegas POST suite? If not then someone at Magix needs to update their website because I would be pretty upset if I decided to purchase the Vegas POST suite based off of their product comparison listing when their isn't a Vegas Pro Suite and those plugins didn't come with the Vegas Post Suite.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/us/vegas-pro/product-comparison/

No, none of those extras with "Vegas Pro Suite" come with "Vegas Post". The reason is your basically getting adobe Premier Pro, Adobe after Effects, and and image compositor with Vegas Post Suite.

Thanks makes more sense now. They must have pulled those plugin inclusions and replaced them with Vegas Effects and Vegas Image products but they haven't updated their website product comparison to reflex those changes. Explains why Vegas Effects and Vegas Image also aren't listed on that feature comparison page which is where all of my original confusion originated.

Vegas Pro (and its 3 versions) and Vegas Post suite have two completely different webpages. All three Vegas Pro levels share one page and at the bottom you see their different levels. Vegas Post Suite has a different webpage. Its confusing; I know. From what I can tell some things could be replaced with Vegas Post Suite, But you would have to make it yourself through the Vegas Effects. Basically, they didnt do a good job spelling it out for the consumer. Believe me, I was researching just like you because I'm looking to buy now too. And ass of know I dont know whether I need all in the Post. I want to make nice titles. Well In Vegas Post Suite, I can make from complete scratch titles and after learning probably do amazing. But in Vegas Pro and Vegas Pro Suite it comes with the Boris FX titller plugin which would make it much easier (confusing i know)

Rednroll wrote on 5/14/2021, 11:30 AM

Lol! That's exactly what I was trying to figure out to make sure if I got the Post suite then it came with something that would make good titles and simple to use. I haven't tried any of these plugins out or the Vegas FX/image. So are you saying at this time the Boris FXs is an easier to use titler?

I'm currently on Vegas Pro 17. Now I'm wondering since the Vegas Pro 17 Suite does come bundled with all those plugins, if it may be worth upgrading to that version? And if I did get Vegas Pro 17 Suite, if those plugins would also work with Vegas Pro 18 Suite?

So much confusion and unanswered questions on all these different versions of "Vegas"! 😕

KeithH wrote on 5/14/2021, 11:32 AM

Actually what i think confuses everyoe is the Top tier for "Vegas Pro" is Vegas Pro Suite. hence the suite. But even higher is another webpage for their program Vegas Post Suite. (they both contain the program Vegas Pro, and they both have the word "Suite" in their name. and they cost kinda close to the same. So all that is confusing. But Vegas Post Suite is the better program; however you dont get the extra freebies added on. But if you bought those same things separately, and also bought the Vegas Post Suite you would hands down have a way better product than just buying the Vegas Pro Suite

KeithH wrote on 5/14/2021, 11:37 AM

Lol! That's exactly what I was trying to figure out to make sure if I got the Post suite then it came with something that would make good titles and simple to use. I haven't tried any of these plugins out or the Vegas FX/image. So are you saying at this time the Boris FXs is an easier to use titler?

I'm currently on Vegas Pro 17. Now I'm wondering since the Vegas Pro 17 Suite does come bundled with all those plugins, if it may be worth upgrading to that version? And if I did get Vegas Pro 17 Suite, if those plugins would also work with Vegas Pro 18 Suite?

So much confusion and unanswered questions on all these different versions of "Vegas"! 😕

I havent tried the Borisfx Titler. They dont give it with the trial. But I played with the Vegas Effects. You can make your own titles and a bunch of stuff. But its a very big learning curve.

With the Vegas Post suite you can make your own title animations (again you have to learn it and it doesnt look easy after playing with it a few days). I am also thinking of just buying the NewBlue FX Titler Pro 7 for whichever Vegas one I chose. I hear that one is easy (i dont want to spend the extra money, but i value my sanity and just dont want to stress while learning: if that makes sense)