Vegas Pro 13-DVD Architect 6 and Vegas Pro 14 Suite-DVD Architect 7

dpaterson wrote on 6/14/2017, 12:22 PM

Hello again (all).

All this complaining etc. is not getting me anywhere evidently. All I want is for this software to work correctly. As noted previously: I've been using Vegas since it was a Sonic Foundry product and I really don't relish the thought of having to change workflow etc. etc. etc. Not to mention the fact that this has always been fantastic software and, up until now, I cannot recall a single occasion in the past few (many???) years when I've had an issue that's required support (first from Sonic Foundry and then from Sony). So that's the preamble.

Now it's obvious that there are issues with Vegas Pro 14 and DVD Architect 7 insofar as the rendering of Blu-ray with Dolby 5.1 due to the fact that Dolby Pro is not, at this time anyway, available in Vegas Pro 14 and DVD Architect 7. So in the interests of a compromise (and yes: I'm willing to compromise at this point) here's some questions that I hope will be answered by forum members and support:

I am led to believe from the forums that Dolby Pro is available in Vegas Pro 13 and DVD Architect 6. Is this indeed correct??? In other words: using Vegas Pro 13 and DVD Architect 6 I will be able to render "proper" Blu-ray with Dolby 5.1 Surround Sound without a problem i.e. all channels working and no recompression of the audio??? This really is all I want / need to do at this time (well: it's the most important part anyway).

Would it not be possible for me to repurchase Vegas Pro 14 Suite but also receive a serial number and activation code for Vegas Pro 13 and DVD Architect 6??? In other words: all I'm asking for is to be able to use the previous versions of the software until the issues as described in the first paragraph above have been resolved. Possible???

Am I correct in making the assumption that (so far as I can tell from the forums) that Vegas Pro 13 and DVD Architect 6 (the very last releases) are stable (well: more stable than Vegas Pro 14 that is i.e. I was getting many of the usual errors described on these forums e.g. Vegas Pro 14 crashing upon exit most of the time)???

Was there a Vegas Pro 13 Suite available??? Or more to the point: will the additional software supplied as a part of the Vegas Pro 14 Suite work with Vegas Pro 13 (Boris, proDAD, NewBlue)???

Is it possible, or is it not recommended, to have all software installed at the same time i.e. Vegas Pro 13 and 14, DVD Architect 6 and 7, and the other software from the Vegas Pro 14 Suite (Boris, proDAD, NewBlue)???

Are there any really major differences between Vegas Pro 14 and Vegas Pro 13??? In other words (and assuming that Boris, proDAD, and NewBlue as supplied with Vegas Pro 14 Suite are indeed compatible with Vegas Pro 13 or if there are compatible versions available): what am I going to be losing (if anything given that I mainly need to author HQ Blu-ray and HDV with Dolby 5.1 and some HQ HDV MP4 files for upload)???

That's about it really. The way I figure it (and depending on answers to the above): this would solve all current issues and I can be on my merry way until the next updates for Vegas Pro 14 and DVD Architect 7 are released (or until there are new versions of the software released in which case I'll gladly pay for the upgrades).

Regards,

Dale.

Comments

NickHope wrote on 6/14/2017, 2:07 PM

1. Yes but I personally have only used it for AC3, not 5.1.

2. Highly unlikely as that would effectively be a 2nd licence. You can but ask.

3. VP13 is more stable for some. VP14 is more stable for others, including me. Depends on your system, input and output formats, and what you're doing with it.

4. https://www.moviestudiozen.com/free-tutorials/sony-vegas-pro/523-sony-vegas-pro-13-different-versions I would expect VP14 NewBlueFX plugins not to work in VP13 as they tend to be version-locked. Not sure about Boris or ProDad.

5. Usually not a problem. I have 5 versions of VP installed + VMS14 + DVDA 5.2 & 7.

6. See this comment: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/is-it-worth-it-to-upgrade-to-vp-14--106942/#ca662029

dpaterson wrote on 6/14/2017, 3:39 PM

Hi Nick.

Thank you very much for taking the time and going to the trouble of addressing each individual query of mine. Much appreciated. Comments in italic (my comments).

1. Yes but I personally have only used it for AC3, not 5.1.

Therein lies the major problem really i.e. were it not for the fact that there is an issue with this then I'd live with my other issues. This is major (for many).

2. Highly unlikely as that would effectively be a 2nd licence. You can but ask.

Well. I can only ask. Not sure about Vegas Pro 13 / DVD Architect 6 but Vegas Pro 14 / DVD Architest 7 are tied to particular workstations so far as I can tell from the registration info. In other words: it's not like I'd be installing or using all versions on more than two workstations (as the licence allows) both of which are mine and this really is only a workaround / temporary measure and most certainly not something that I'm doing out of choice..

3. VP13 is more stable for some. VP14 is more stable for others, including me. Depends on your system, input and output formats, and what you're doing with it.

I just get the odd error now and then really. When I exit Vegas Pro 14 I get an error (and have submitted the error online many times). Sometimes I get an error when the project is being automatically backed up (so I just turned this option off). Also sometimes get an error when closing NewBlue (but oddly enough the application continues to work). I can live with these errors (for now) really.

This is what I feared actually (and thanks for the link and the info.). On your link below it's specifically stated that at least one of them is only available in Vegas Pro 14.

5. Usually not a problem. I have 5 versions of VP installed + VMS14 + DVDA 5.2 & 7.

Good to know.

6. See this comment: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/is-it-worth-it-to-upgrade-to-vp-14--106942/#ca662029

Thanks again for the link. Very clear to me now. This I also feared i.e. there's one or two (or three) features there that I require so Vegas Pro 13 on its own is not an option..

Basically you've addressed my issues. Looks like I'm stumped no matter what. The only solution then really requires Vegas Pro 14 and Vegas Pro 13 installed with DVD Architect 7 and DVD Architect 6 installed and then to apply that little "cheat" of copying Dolby Pro from Vegas Pro 13 / DVD Architect 6 to Vegas Pro 14 / DVD Architect 7 (overwriting the Dolby Studio files) and hope this works. So really all I need then is some agreement from Magix that I can (re)purchase Vegas Pro 14 Suite but also be supplied with Vegas Pro 13 and DVD Architect 6 serial numbers and activation codes.

Magix. Please help out here i.e. I'm trying to make this work for all parties concerned until the Blu-ray / Dolby 5.1 issue is sorted out. Unfortunately I don't have the privilege of having previously purchased Vegas Pro 13 / DVD Architect 6 and given that this is known issue I really don't believe it fair or warranted that in order to resolve the issue that I have to purchase Vegas Pro 13 / DVD Architect 6 in addition to (re)purchasing Vegas Pro 14 Suite.

Regards,

Dale.

NickHope wrote on 6/14/2017, 10:55 PM

What previous versions of Vegas/DVDA do you have a license for?

dpaterson wrote on 6/15/2017, 2:29 AM

Hi Nick.

Not an option. Software belonged to a company that I used to work for (was Vegas Pro 11 with all the trimmings). Prior to that I did (personally) own Vegas Video 2 (Sonic Foundry) thru Vegas 7 (Sony) but that software, the licences, and registration information is long gone I'm afraid (and I doubt it would be of any use anyway in solving my current issues). I'm semi-retired now but starting up again on my own (if the truth be told to supplement my income which is but one of the reasons that I really do need a solution and for this to work out). So technically speaking: only Vegas Pro 14 and DVD Architect 7 (with all the trimmings) (and as we know: therein lies my problem unfortunately).

Regards,

Dale.

NickHope wrote on 6/15/2017, 6:58 AM

I have a feeling that Magix simply don't have the rights to sell Vegas software with the Dolby Pro codec in it. Their silence on the issue and failure to restore it in updates implies that conclusion. There is this, but it doesn't really clear much up. As it stands, I have no idea whether a fix is on the way or not. To achieve "the workaround", you'd need both the VP13 Dolby Pro DLL file and a license for DVDA6. I guess you know this already.

dpaterson wrote on 6/15/2017, 7:54 AM

Hello again Nick.

Well: you are probably right. But at this stage: I don't really care anymore i.e. all I want is to resolve the issue one way or the other EVEN IF it means ALSO BUYING Vegas Pro 13 and DVD Architect 6 (but I do believe that this would be unfair).

If the so-called "workaround" does not work well, then, I guess I'll just have to work in Vegas Pro 13 and DVD Architect 6 until the issue is either resolved in an update or pay for an upgrade if / when such upgrade becomes available.

Regards,

Dale.

dpaterson wrote on 6/15/2017, 3:42 PM

Hi.

I've been wondering about all of this and done a bit more research. Read on.

So far as I can tell: Vegas is not the problem really now is it??? True: in Vegas Pro 14.0 there is no Dolby Pro encoder BUT so far as I can tell that's not necessarily the best encoder for 5.1 surround sound anyway and is nothing more than a proprietary (Dolby Labs.), and not to mention dated, standard which, I might add, is not a lossless encoder. The other 5.1 audio encoders included in Vegas (particularly Sony Wave64,and WAV) are lossless. Matter of fact (as we know): Vegas can burn 5.1 Blu-ray using these very formats (matter of fact they're defaults) the only problem being that you cannot create menus and everything else for the disk (so, again I say, Vegas itself is not the issue here). Assuming that my understanding here is correct: there's actually loads of AVCHD and Blu-ray authoring applications that will recognise Sony Wave64 and WAV 5.1 surround files. Some are free and some are paid for (but given the cost of Vegas Pro 14 Suite another $100 or so ain't going to change anybody's financial life let's be honest). And while DVD Architect is great and easy to use and we're all used to working with it etc. etc. etc. it appears that it's somehow "fallen behind" Vegas (as noted in one of my previous "rants" i.e. if DVD Architect actually recoginsed these other 5.1 audio formats then we'd in all probability not even be having a discussion about this). Interesting to me also is that this issue with DVD Architect and 5.1 Blu-ray has been around for AGES (I found some posts on other sites going back to 2009) i.e. many varying issues but rear channels being silent or garbled audio being the main issues.

Dunno. Am I talking nonsense above??? Thoughts???

Regards,

Dale.

NickHope wrote on 6/16/2017, 12:18 AM

I've used TMPGenc Authoring Works a lot in the past. It was my default application for churning out souvenir DVDs for dive tourists because it was so fast and robust. The main downside was that it couldn't do a "Resume" command that DVDA can, and it could only do 2 subtitle tracks (now increased in latest version). And the templates were very cheesy, but you don't need to use them.

If you don't need fancy menus then there are probably decent free solutions out there.

I've never done any 5.1 so I can't comment on Dolby vs WAV etc..