Vegas Pro 14 - The Future

xdcamer wrote on 5/10/2016, 3:04 PM
It seems evident that a v14 is coming with all the recent posts of it being released and then held off by dealers.

I have been a Vegas Pro user since 2004 when it was Sonic Foundry and I must say its the best and most intuitive NLE, fare more straight forward than Premiere, Avid and others. Vegas Pro offers a super workflow with all the tools you need and despite many saying it is full of bugs I have had a rock solid Vegas Pro 12. (I believe a lot of the problems are hardware related gpu etc..) Even Catalyst is no match, while it has a nice UI and neat workflow it just lacks that big boy NLE feeling with no multicam and many much needed features. Also I don't like the round tripping from Prepare to Edit why not just put it all in the one UI with a separate window ! Maybe it will mature into something nice.

What I find astonishing is that Sony have left us all in the dark for so long with so much speculation that Vegas Pro was being discontinued. We all know Sony won't comment on product development but at this stage I think they should clarify the situation.... or..... don't be surprised if the your large Vegas Pro user base have gone away as a result. So many have been considering Premiere Pro, Resolve 12 and others NLE's due to the speculation and lack of information and clarity on the future of Vegas Pro.....

At this point 'Clarity' from SCS would be nice :-)

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malowz wrote on 5/10/2016, 3:15 PM
"Clarity" would be nice a year ago.

Now we need respect with customers.

"Clearly", they don't care.
videoITguy wrote on 5/10/2016, 3:35 PM
Reference earlier - Subject: RE: Vegas 14??
Reply by: videoITguy
Date: 5/10/2016 10:52:51 AM

Folks, if Vegas 14 were a version in serious beta test for the last year, and if it were even close to being released as an upcoming version - then...

1) There would be prelim hype on the Facebook page
2) There would be an SCS presence at NAB 2016 - and there was NOT!
3) If SCS presence were anywhere - they would say "coming soon to a computer near you " and there is NOT a hint of that!

It is very possible that a release of post version 13 was anticipated by marketing branch, but not nearly close to consumer release at all by development team- due to the overwhelming market forces....
ddm wrote on 5/10/2016, 8:05 PM
>>>2) There would be an SCS presence at NAB 2016 - and there was NOT!

I'd have to agree. I thought I heard someone who went to NAB say that they really didn't even have a bonafide Catalyst presence. Not a good sign for the future of Sony Creative software, and Vegas 14... even less so.
aboammar wrote on 5/11/2016, 3:15 AM
I am using Vegas since its first version when it was Vegas Audio only, and I love it since then, however and unfortunately, I lost hope that Vegas pro 14 is coming and that is why I am now learning to use Davinci Resolve 12.5 as a replacement. I know that Vegas Pro will not stop working, but I need to be ready when the times comes to switch, so I will still keep using Vegas Pro 13 until I master Resolve, and this means a year or so from now.

So far, Resolve seems a very good replacement to Vegas Pro for pure editing, even though its composition features (Event Pan/Crop and Track Motion) is far less capable than Vegas Pro. Not to mention the audio capabilities which is no match to Vegas Pro, but hey .. this is the case with ALL video editors ... No NLE is a match to Vegas Pro when it comes to audio capabilities.

Even when I switch to Resolve, I keep using Vegas Pro 13 for the audio part of any video production (Voice Over and Music Background) until Resolve can offer what I need in this side.

I regret that I have purchased Catalyst Edit Suit because it lacks so much features and it is no match to the free bu powerful Davinci Resolve ... do not buy Catalyst Edit Suit .. it doe not worth even $1/month .. instead get Davinci Resolve which is so powerful, and best of all FREE!

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xdcamer wrote on 5/11/2016, 3:41 AM
I must admit I too have been playing with Resolve 12.5 and its a very impressive editor but while it offers so much it cant beat Vegas Pro for all it can do with video and audio and vegas pro offers an endless list of delivery formats while some editors including Resolve don't offer anything like Vegas Pro.

Surely Sony are not crazy.......... they cant just sit back and let Vegas Pro fade into the sunset when it has been one of the TOP editors for many years and has built up a large user base of professional editors. If Sony does that it would be 'SHAMEFULL'
Tech Diver wrote on 5/11/2016, 9:25 AM
"Surely Sony are not crazy.......... they cant just sit back and let Vegas Pro fade into the sunset "

Yes they can, if SCS is not profitable. The only thing that matters is making the next financial quarter's goal for the Wall Street investors. It makes absolutely no difference whether or not Vegas Pro is the greatest product on earth.

Peter
xdcamer wrote on 5/11/2016, 10:10 AM
I agree Peter 'if it was not profitable' but as Vegas Pro has been up there in the top 4-5 editors for years. I believe it's surely as profitable as the others. Also if Sony was tight on cash how could the pump a small fortune into Catalyst which has a long road to travel before it A- is as good as Vegas and B- build up the size of user base that Vegas Pro has. I just don't buy it! People talk about Vegas cracks and all sorts but there will always be the Pirates who generally only feed the armature and hobbiest editors (Premiere pro has been cracked forever along with photoshop). There is surly enough if us professionals supporting SCS.
If it does come down to finances Sony should address this rather than ditch a perfectly good and popular NLE. One way is with a to die for new version, cross platform and offering more functionality, compatibility and a more modern UI with the latest trim, slip & slide tools.... Sony gotta be serious about the market rather than fold IMO
Tech Diver wrote on 5/11/2016, 12:11 PM
My wild guess on what transpired is that SCS saw a steady no-growth or declining market in their Vegas product line. To address this, marketing/sales and upper management shifted the company strategy toward serving the high-end market with the Catalyst family of software. However, their new product line was a failure. Essentially, SCS gambled and lost and now it is too late for them to turn back to the Vegas product line, as they have lost too much money and perhaps some key personnel as well. Again, this is pure speculation on my part based on observations and my many years of experience in the corporate executive world.

Peter
John222 wrote on 5/11/2016, 2:41 PM
I have to 100% agree with Tech Diver. My day job is with a huge multi-national tech company and the mentality is growth, not just profitability. You could be making 90 cents on the dollar and if it's not growing they will sell it, kill it or move it overseas to a cheaper labor market.

Btw, Resolve won't do everything as well as Vegas, but there is an equal number of areas where Vegas falls short of Resolve. I'm very interested in seeing what will become of Fusion and Resolve over the next few years. I'm expecting great things to happen.
monoparadox wrote on 5/11/2016, 3:33 PM
The reality is the NLE market has matured to the extent there is little opportunity for NEW growth. Thus, the subscription model. Catalyst is an attempt to conform Sony to their new and future hardware. It looks to be too little, too late. There's already other options and the Catalyst feature set is nowhere close to Vegas. Also, as hard as it is for us old timers to grasp, apps on mobile devices will continue to undermine the market for consumer oriented outputs. Unfortunately, Vegas never became a driving force in the pro market even though many of us realize and enjoy its capabilities.

-- tom
JJKizak wrote on 5/11/2016, 3:59 PM
Ten years from now the hot stuff will be fully automatic NLE's. Might even be voice controlled.
JJK
aboammar wrote on 5/11/2016, 6:04 PM
@John222 "Btw, Resolve won't do everything as well as Vegas..." True, but that is normal because the editing capabilities in Davinci Resolve started in version 10, which is less than 2 years ago, comparing to Vegas Pro which is at least 15 years old, if I can remember correctly.

But Resolve is evolving very rapidly, and will catch up much sooner than what you think because Blackmagic is really supporting its development very strongly.

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set wrote on 5/11/2016, 7:49 PM
"But Resolve is evolving very rapidly, and will catch up much sooner than what you think because Blackmagic is really supporting its development very strongly."

That's what I've seen with recent Blackmagic's development...

I have been following the Resolve's development since version 9 or 10, I forgot, the first time it is available for free, but that time, Resolve had so many requirement, which must use NVidia card and OpenCL was not yet supported. But now, it has more compatibility support.
Finally I started trying since 11th, but only as experiment, playaround. Not yet going deeper. Only last year I did my first project full inside Resolve 12. Still need to learn the nodes and how far it can go as this is the main feature of Resolve.

And now with the announcement 12.5 beta, there are tons of new features.

Blackmagic seems looking forward to create one 'whole-solution-system'. Their BMD Ursa Mini seems success after previous several camera releases.

Locally here this week, I'm invited to small seminar about Resolve with BMD Asia. Looking forward to learn more...
http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/29342552/VegasPosts/Resolve125Itenas.jpg
aboammar wrote on 5/12/2016, 10:38 AM
@set .. you are totally correct .. with every new release, Resolves dose indeed comes with tons of new features, and fixes.

Even from version 12.3.2 to version 12.5, Resolve came with impressive countless features and enhancements that some reviewers said that so much features supposed to come in version 13, not 12.5 .. so what surprises BMD are hiding for version 13!

According to BMD, version 12.5 of Davinci Resolve comes with over 1,000 enhancements and 250 new features!

I saw the list of those enhancements and new features, and indeed very impressive!

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VidMus wrote on 5/12/2016, 3:50 PM
Maybe the former programmers for SCS are now working at BMD.

Is this a dum-b reply? ;)

xdcamer wrote on 5/12/2016, 5:15 PM
'Maybe the former programmers for SCS are now working at BMD'

I read on the BMD DaVinci Resolve forum that some ex Apple people are involved in Resolve, this would certainly explain the fast pace and exciting new features..... and only more good things to come down the tracks.
Peter100 wrote on 5/12/2016, 6:06 PM
I think we should ask SCS to create a separate forum for Davinci Resolve topics ;)
set wrote on 5/12/2016, 6:32 PM
...ex Apple people are involved in Resolve
Well, one feature of FCPX I like is hovering your cursor on top of the thumbnail previewing the content across the time on that video.
I guess that's surely explaining why...

I think we should ask SCS to create a separate forum for Davinci Resolve topics ;)
LOL... #oops :D


http://nofilmschool.com/2016/05/davinci-resolve-125-biggest-game-changers-review
another tips on navigating the timeline:
"The middle mouse button enables horizontal and vertical timeline scrolling."
John222 wrote on 5/15/2016, 5:14 PM
Well I sent Sony an email questioning the future of Vegas and this is what I got...

" We are actively assessing market and customer needs for future major and maintenance versions of Vegas Pro."

So hopefully they really are working on 14. At the very least, I hope they add a tracker and make importing of mask easy, without having to buy stupid plugins. For instance I own Mocha Pro.. Why should I have to buy BCC10 to use Mocha with Vegas?
Julius_ wrote on 5/15/2016, 8:05 PM
actively assessing?

Doesn't seem too positive to me...if your assessing, means your not deploying.
Ouch.
Chienworks wrote on 5/15/2016, 8:25 PM
I could also point out that sometimes the result of assessing is "no".
DGates wrote on 5/15/2016, 8:41 PM
The writing is on the wall. Vegas is kaput.

I've been with it since the Vegas 3 copy I bought at Best Buy. I've been more than happy with it.

But that doesn't mean others are buying it. It's business. Pure and simple.
flyingski wrote on 5/16/2016, 1:51 AM
I'm a newcomer to Vegas, having waited until Vegas 4 to join the party, and sincerely hope it survives but I'm not holding my breath. I'll use Vegas 13 until it no longer does what I need it to do and then move on. In an effort to prolong the status quo I just did a clean install of Win-10, on my machines,followed by V13 and all the plugin's, scripts, tweaks, etc. Then I created an image of my system so as to make a refresh easy in the future when there is nobody home at SCS to reset things after I've used up my installs. Now I can steam into the future, whistling past the graveyard with a buggy whip in each hand.
Grazie wrote on 5/16/2016, 3:40 AM
Tick tock .... Tick tock.....