Vegas Pro 19424 > Denoiser Sucks

Robin-Siddique wrote on 11/17/2021, 3:42 PM

Hello,

Greetings, I would request the developers the to eleminate the buggy "Denoiser", Because some time I mistakenly apply the effect and hang on render for "Unlimited time". After thorough research I have found that the culprit is the "Default" denoiser plugin in vegas pro 19 424.

Also eliminate this kind (non-functional) plugin and make this free from revision effection company if possible.

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andyrpsmith wrote on 11/17/2021, 4:18 PM

Yes, use Neat video denoise for the best denoise money can buy.

 

(Intel 3rd gen i5@4.1GHz, 32GB RAM, SSD, 1080Ti GPU, Windows 10) Not now used with Vegas.

13th gen i913900K - water cooled, 96GB RAM, 4TB M2 drive, 4TB games SSD, 2TB video SSD, GPU RTX 4080 Super, Windows 11 pro

Former user wrote on 11/17/2021, 8:22 PM

Hello,

Greetings, I would request the developers the to eleminate the buggy "Denoiser", Because some time I mistakenly apply the effect and hang on render for "Unlimited time". After thorough research I have found that the culprit is the "Default" denoiser plugin in vegas pro 19 424.

Is it possible it didn't really hang, but the filter is so slow and uses so much GPU it seemed that way, what GPU you using?

Also eliminate this kind (non-functional) plugin and make this free from revision effection company if possible.

 

It does work, is it the greatest of noise reduction plugin?, no, but it can could have it's uses if there were no other options available, maybe a beauty filter too. I don't personally use it due to having other options

RogerS wrote on 11/17/2021, 11:25 PM

Try a render with just denoise. I find it so slow that it is almost like a hang, though it will eventually complete. I stopped using it for that reason. If performance improves and it uses more CPU and GPU I'd test it further.

Custom PC (2022) Intel i5-13600K with UHD 770 iGPU with latest driver, MSI z690 Tomahawk motherboard, 64GB Corsair DDR5 5200 ram, NVIDIA 2080 Super (8GB) with latest studio driver, 2TB Hynix P41 SSD and 2TB Samsung 980 Pro cache drive, Windows 11 Pro 64 bit

Dell XPS 15 laptop (2017) 32GB ram, NVIDIA 1050 (4GB) with latest studio driver, Intel i7-7700HQ with Intel 630 iGPU (latest available driver), dual internal SSD (1TB; 1TB), Windows 10 64 bit

VEGAS Pro 19.651
VEGAS Pro 20.411
VEGAS Pro 21.208
VEGAS Pro 22.93

Try the
VEGAS 4K "sample project" benchmark (works with VP 16+): https://forms.gle/ypyrrbUghEiaf2aC7
VEGAS Pro 20 "Ad" benchmark (works with VP 20+): https://forms.gle/eErJTR87K2bbJc4Q7

Vegas_Sebastian wrote on 11/18/2021, 12:56 PM

@Robin-Siddique Welcome to the Vegas family. We take your input seriously but please give us more details about your system and driver status. Some issues have its root in incompatible hardware or driver versions.

gary-rebholz wrote on 11/18/2021, 1:21 PM

@Robin-Siddique, We can't find your registration under the creditials you used to register for this forum. All we see for you is a trial version of VP15. Our tech support guys want to help and are waiting to hear from you. Please contact them with your current VEGAS Pro serial number and the email address it is registered under, and they will set up a ticket for you to see if we can help identify your problem and get to a solution.

You might also have a corrupted installer. Try going to your MAGIX ID account and downloading the latest installer from there. Uninstall your current version and install with the latest official installer.

Thanks.

VEGASPascal wrote on 11/18/2021, 1:31 PM

@Robin-Siddique you can also use a Median filter for simple and fast noise removal.

Robin-Siddique wrote on 11/18/2021, 11:42 PM

@Robin-Siddique, We can't find your registration under the creditials you used to register for this forum. All we see for you is a trial version of VP15. Our tech support guys want to help and are waiting to hear from you. Please contact them with your current VEGAS Pro serial number and the email address it is registered under, and they will set up a ticket for you to see if we can help identify your problem and get to a solution.

You might also have a corrupted installer. Try going to your MAGIX ID account and downloading the latest installer from there. Uninstall your current version and install with the latest official installer.

Thanks.

I actually forgot, when I started this account, However also I am not asking any tech support. And yes I am only a "Vegas Fan" for the time being. Thank you for your valued comment. And I am also a "Fan" of you, to build such an excellent programme that can easily beat "Adobe" suite for video. However If the project volume bar would be dockable, it would be more customisable.

Robin-Siddique wrote on 11/18/2021, 11:57 PM

@Robin-Siddique you can also use a Median filter for simple and fast noise removal.

Thank you pascel, Seems to be amazing

Robin-Siddique wrote on 11/19/2021, 12:04 AM

Try a render with just denoise. I find it so slow that it is almost like a hang, though it will eventually complete. I stopped using it for that reason. If performance improves and it uses more CPU and GPU I'd test it further.

Actually I was trying to find the lagging issues in Vegas (Heading for a video project), However I will not use this denoiser anymore. Btw I am using a decent ryzen G5300 APU, 16GB Ram Which is quite ok for any operation in vegas. Btw I have not found any single issue bothering with "lagging" issue anymore. But I think there is more room for improvement in "Playback previw", I am not sure any optimised engine is used for vegas pro 19 (Like adobe mercury playback engine).

Robin-Siddique wrote on 11/19/2021, 12:06 AM

@Robin-Siddique Welcome to the Vegas family. We take your input seriously but please give us more details about your system and driver status. Some issues have its root in incompatible hardware or driver versions.

Actually I was trying to find the lagging issues in Vegas (Heading for a video project), However I will not use this denoiser anymore. Btw I am using a decent ryzen G5300 APU, 16GB Ram Which is quite ok for any operation in vegas. Btw I have not found any single issue bothering with "lagging" issue anymore. But I think there is more room for improvement in "Playback previw", I am not sure any optimised engine is used for vegas pro 19 (Like adobe mercury playback engine).

Robin-Siddique wrote on 11/19/2021, 12:09 AM

Hello,

Greetings, I would request the developers the to eleminate the buggy "Denoiser", Because some time I mistakenly apply the effect and hang on render for "Unlimited time". After thorough research I have found that the culprit is the "Default" denoiser plugin in vegas pro 19 424.

Is it possible it didn't really hang, but the filter is so slow and uses so much GPU it seemed that way, what GPU you using?

Also eliminate this kind (non-functional) plugin and make this free from revision effection company if possible.

 

It does work, is it the greatest of noise reduction plugin?, no, but it can could have it's uses if there were no other options available, maybe a beauty filter too. I don't personally use it due to having other options

You are correct, It didnt hang, But the wait time unresonable. Vegas is now astinising in stablity (Even better than Adobe Premier Pro).

Former user wrote on 11/19/2021, 12:28 AM
 

You are correct, It didnt hang, But the wait time unresonable. Vegas is now astinising in stablity (Even better than Adobe Premier Pro).

Yeah I would agree with that, I get less than 2fps on a rtx3070, which is equiv to 2080super, so there would be no way it can be useable on your APU, although I"M not sure a GPU noise reduction filter is usable on a APU/IGPU, they normally are extremely GPU intensive.

There are cpu noise reduction filters too which might work better. Boris BCC Noise reduction is all cpu, if you have that filter package, I get 22 fps as a comparison

EricLNZ wrote on 11/19/2021, 2:52 AM

However also I am not asking any tech support. And yes I am only a "Vegas Fan" for the time being.

@Robin-Siddique What does that mean? Are you currently using the trial version?

 

Steve_Rhoden wrote on 11/19/2021, 5:35 AM

Glad that you are now more confident in the stability of Vegas Pro...... However if you are doing serious de-noising tasks on somewhat of a regular basis, then Neat Video would be the best tool of choice. The de-noiser from RevisionFX neither can't come near to what Neat Video can achieve in terms of speed and result.

Reyfox wrote on 11/19/2021, 8:36 AM

"Btw I am using a decent ryzen G5300 APU".... not sure if this APU is up to editing with Vegas.... or Premiere. And also not sure that your integrated graphics supports VCE3.0 and has allocated at least 4GB of RAM.

@Vegas_Sebastian suggested this "Welcome to the Vegas family. We take your input seriously but please give us more details about your system and driver status. Some issues have its root in incompatible hardware or driver versions."

If you really want to see an improvement in the denoiser... follow what @gary-rebholz suggested, "Our tech support guys want to help and are waiting to hear from you. Please contact them with your current VEGAS Pro serial number and the email address it is registered under, and they will set up a ticket for you to see if we can help identify your problem and get to a solution."

I know if I wanted a particular aspect of Vegas Pro improved, I would follow up on what Gary wrote and personally requested from you.......

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RogerS wrote on 11/19/2021, 8:39 AM

First thing I'd do with this system is to update the drivers:

https://www.amd.com/en/support/apu/amd-ryzen-processors/amd-ryzen-3-5000-g-series-desktop-processors-radeon-graphics/amd

Custom PC (2022) Intel i5-13600K with UHD 770 iGPU with latest driver, MSI z690 Tomahawk motherboard, 64GB Corsair DDR5 5200 ram, NVIDIA 2080 Super (8GB) with latest studio driver, 2TB Hynix P41 SSD and 2TB Samsung 980 Pro cache drive, Windows 11 Pro 64 bit

Dell XPS 15 laptop (2017) 32GB ram, NVIDIA 1050 (4GB) with latest studio driver, Intel i7-7700HQ with Intel 630 iGPU (latest available driver), dual internal SSD (1TB; 1TB), Windows 10 64 bit

VEGAS Pro 19.651
VEGAS Pro 20.411
VEGAS Pro 21.208
VEGAS Pro 22.93

Try the
VEGAS 4K "sample project" benchmark (works with VP 16+): https://forms.gle/ypyrrbUghEiaf2aC7
VEGAS Pro 20 "Ad" benchmark (works with VP 20+): https://forms.gle/eErJTR87K2bbJc4Q7

PacoDeCasa wrote on 1/11/2022, 8:51 AM

I have the same problem with denoise plugin, it takes forever rendering..... so after many hours for one single 15 seconds clips... I must force close the vegas app....

 

 

Former user wrote on 1/11/2022, 9:32 AM

Just had a play with Denoiser, most of my media is new 4k so i don't use it, but i set the controls high & it looks a bit like a cartoon fx 😁 it did take a while to render, 11.22mins for this 0.20secs 4k 3840x2160 clip, but the other fx's i have that create a similar 'Look' slow down Vegas the same,

interesting though, not many renders max out my GPU the way this did,

I tried it on a HD 1920x1080 0.20sec clip, 2.42mins to render,

@Robin-Siddique You have a quad core CPU & 16GB Ram, but what GPU do you have?, from my results that is the most used part of the system with this fx