Do you have a hearing/reading problem??

No, but it seems that you have a memory problem. You typed:

"And BTW... it's not useless.... just bugged. It WILL do a full smart render... "

Well, if all you can do is put clips together, then it IS useless. There's usually some rough edges at the beginning and end of clips that need to be cut. That's mainly what Pixela does great, although its GUI is a torture to use. But it smart-renders perfectly. If you cannot even trim clips, then Vegas 9 is useless for smart-rendering AVCHD, and useless for the format in general, since there's no way I can edit anything if every time I hit the space bar the footage takes four seconds to get up to full speed. Period.

Oh please.... don't be silly.

Pixela has no render engine. Can you render effects? Can you render to avi... or mpeg1... or quick time....MXF.... How about divx??? You keep comparing this silly little program (if you can call it that) to the likes of Vegas. Can you output AC3, AAC, multi channel pcm??? Don't be ridiculous.

The systems that these softwares use are TOTALLY different. Vegas has to have the ability to look at the timeline and decide what requires a full render and what does not... then it has to follow through and shift gears in the process. Pixela can't even come CLOSE to what is being described here.... it doesn't have any gears to shift. Pixela was built to do ONE thing with ONE camera type and ONE avchd type.... that's a pretty bloody easy thing to accomplish relatively speaking.

Not withstanding... the smart render DOES work.... WITH transitions and such. I've done it... Dave has done it. Granted there are at present a few extra hoops to jump through, but my guess is that the next patch will clear that up.

Now I'm done here. You just seem to be a very angry person in general and I've grown pretty tired of your rather childish hissy fits. If you're not happy with Vegas then for goodness sakes...grow a back bone and go some where else.

Pixela has no render engine. Can you render effects? Can you render to avi... or mpeg1... or quick time....MXF.... How about divx??? You keep comparing this silly little program (if you can call it that) to the likes of Vegas. Can you output AC3, AAC, multi channel pcm??? Don't be ridiculous.

If you have seen "Superman Returns" then you have seen the part where Kevin Spacey says "WROOOONG!!!!". That reminds me of my stupid boss, but also of you. Pixela HAS a render engine, however much more basic than Vegas'. But it does render some parts of AVCHD footage, just a few frames frames around cuts, and if you perform a fade in or out, or a transition. And it does output AC3, since it's the audio format the original footage has.

Now I'm done here. You just seem to be a very angry person in general and I've grown pretty tired of your rather childish hissy fits. If you're not happy with Vegas then for goodness sakes...grow a back bone and go some where else

You're really funny. Me, the angry person? I'm just not a suckup of SCS like you are, throwing flowers at them as if they were Gods, when they are pretty mediocre programmers with no respect for their customers. Any post from anyone who is upset at the bugs in Vegas and you jump to the rescue. Come on, tell the truth, you get a commission every time you post something, don't you?

Hi ingvarai

It would be great if that was the case but it does not work if the same clip is in the timeline twice with no changes made and it will smart render if the clips are butted or with a gap if there is just a 1s overlap the no go

It did not help when Eric C said he could not see the problem on his test pc but he was making the clips in vegas itself so sure it did work the problems come when clips are used that come from camaras

It does seem that maybe a LOT more testing should have took place in house before startting to sell Vegas9

It is even more anoing when lesser progammes can do what vegas cannot do

Dave

Hi David,

but it does not work if the same clip is in the timeline twice with no changes made and it will smart render if the clips are butted or with a gap if there is just a 1s overlap the no go

Here is what I did, I put the same clip three times on the time line, with a slight overlap. It is a steam locomotive, the railways here are celebrating a 100 years anniversary.


It smartrenders, all right. Only the overlap is rendered new. The format is MXF, and yes, the clip has been previously rendered using Vegas.

he could not see the problem on his test pc but he was making the clips in vegas itself so sure it did work the problems come when clips are used that come from camaras

Firstly, personally I have never had a task where I rendered out to any camera format. The camera format is nice, used in the camera, very high compression, but for my own use, I so far have not found any practical use for this format in post production.

Secondly, I would like to see the AVCHD file and compare it with the template being used. If they do not match exactly, I think Vegas will do a full render. As others have posted here, the some cameras claim 1920x1080 while they record 1440x1080 1,3333. If I have time, I will try to test myself. I have AVCHD files from both Canon and Panasonic.

It does seem that maybe a LOT more testing should have took place in house before startting to sell Vegas9
I wholeheartedly disagree! To me, and that is what I am talking about, Vegas 9 was worth every penny. I think it is fantastic, it works very well on my PC.

It is even more anoing when lesser progammes can do what vegas cannot do
It is often like this. Small shareware programs outperform large, in certain areas. Still we use the big ones..

ingvarai

Sebaz,

I'm just not a suckup of SCS like you are, throwing flowers at them as if they were Gods, when they are pretty mediocre programmers with no respect for their customers

This is not a good description of how it works. A software house is divided in departments. Sales, management, development, support and so on. Programmers do what they are paid for. They have practically no connection with customers. In most cases, programmers are on the customer's side, and sometimes tear their hair out in frustration over management decisions.

I have no reason to believe that Sony Creative has "mediocre" programmers. On the contrary, I believe they are very good, judging from the fine products SCS has. What I suspect, is that the same regime applies to SCS as to many other companies, programmers want to fine tune and refine functions, they do not want a release. Management want money and they dictate a release. Test and support objects against it, and there we have it going. Arguments and sales figures and the test dept chimes in and want more test rounds and so on.

Very often - the development dept is a world of its own, isolated from the rest of the company. There is one door into this world, and in this door the development manager is standing, taking all the heat from management, then turning around, swallowing his/her anger and starts to encourage developers.

To sum it up - you can not judge the SCS programmers like you do. Aim your fire at management, if you have to.

ingvarai

Hi ingvarai

Thanks for the link

What format was the footage in before you outputtrd to mxf

I can PM you a link to my test footage if you like

I was also thinking at the start of all this problems that it was 'cos of file diferences but I have been testing with single clips and putting them in the timeline 2 or more times so eliminating errors of format

It is interesting you metion pixel size if I put the converted files into Vegas the 1920 1080 files do show pixel size of 1:1

It seems that Vegas is so close to working smart render corectley it may be something was overlooked in testing

Dave

Dave,

>What format was the footage in before you outputtrd to mxf
I rendered MTS --> MXF.
The MTS file is a Panasonic AVCHD file, 1920x1080 50i

I render out to MXF:
-------------
1920x1080
25.000
16:9
Upper field first
35(VBR) - HQ
Main
-------------

I was also thinking at the start of all this problems that it was 'cos of file diferences but I have been testing with single clips and putting them in the timeline 2 or more times so eliminating errors of format
A full render will take place if there is a difference between the clip's format and the render template format, the clips can be similar or different. Vegas smart renders clips that match the current render template, full renders clips that do not match.

It seems that Vegas is so close to working smart render corectley it may be something was overlooked in testing
I think you hit the nail on its head here!

I can PM you a link to my test footage if you like
If I have time, I will first test with the AVCHD files I have here, thanks anyway.

ingvarai

Hi ingvarai

Interesting your files start as 1920 x 1080

That is the format that works for me if I recode them from 1440 x 1080 to 1920 x 1080 in cyberlink espresso

My files right out my canon hg10 show as 1920 if I look at them in mediainfo

It makes me wonder what the full story is about the resalution of my hg10 files from the camara