Vegas Pro Rendering Issues

mitchib1440 wrote on 11/7/2024, 4:22 PM

I'm editing a large video in Vegas Pro Edit 21 (Steam Edition). It involves around 9 different cameras angles, ranging from GoPros to dashcams. (It's a halloween tradition we do in our house every year for the local kids and I work with the camera angles I have to make a cute video to share with close family and friends)
And I normally make these videos in two parts.

Part one is to align all of the camera angles in the Vegas Pro timeline so I can cut between them. And once I've synced it up and chosen which angles will be used, I render that entire thing into a video file.
Then, for part two, I take that video file and drag it into a new project and that's where I can edit things down further remove the parts where nothing happens, add music, text, etc.

Currently I'm trying to render part one so I can move onto part two. But the render always either gets stuck, or my system runs out of memory. (My full computer specs are below) And I feel like I've tried everything at this point. Including:


Changing the GPU acceleration from my dedicated GPU to my CPU's integrated graphics, as well as off completely.

Setting the dynamic allocated memory to all sorts of values ranging from 0 to 25%.

Changing one of the "internal" settings as instructed by .

Changing the rendering format.

Closing all other applications on my computer.

Probably a few other things that I've forgotten at this point.

 

I used to run Vegas Pro 18 Edit (Also Steam edition) and never had this kind of problem, even when working with large videos.
VP21 doesn't give an error or bug report option, instead all of my monitors (4 including the laptop screen, two of which 1080p, 60hz, one of which 1366x768, 60hz, and the laptop screen which is 2560x1600@165hz) flash black momentarily, before returning to normal, revealing a frozen and non-responsive Vegas Pro which has gotten stuck during the render at some arbitrary percentage.

There is no text on the video, and the only video effects I have applied is a brightness & contrast boost to one of the GoPro HERO4 clips for which I forgot to correctly set the exposure before recording. Some clips have crop and panning set, but this doesn't seem to be making a difference as it seems to render those just fine.

 

My system is as follows:
Framework Laptop 16
16GB DDR5 RAM
AMD Ryzen 9 7940HS (Which has Radeon 780M integrated graphics)
AMD Radeon RX 7700S (8GB VRAM)
Windows 11 Pro 23H2
Vegas Pro Edit 21.0 - Build 315

Comments

johnny-s wrote on 11/7/2024, 4:46 PM

One option is to convert all clips to Prores HQ then do part 1 and 2.

PC 1:

Intel i9-9900K

32 GB Ram

AMD Radeon XFX RX 7900 XT

Intel UHD 630

Win 10

PC 2:

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D 16 core CPU

64 GB Ram

Nvidia 4090 GPU

Intel A770 GPU

Win 11

 

Laptop:

Intel 11th. Gen 8 core CPU. i9-11900K

64 GB Ram

Nvidia RTX 3080 GPU

Win 10

mitchib1440 wrote on 11/7/2024, 4:58 PM

Oh, I hadn't considered converting the clips! Good shout, thank you! Admittedly there are a lot of them, several hundred at least. Though it might be a more worthwhile use of time. I might be able to get Handbrake to convert them as long as it doesn't change their filenames so Vegas won't get picky about it.

What's the advantage of Prores for this? I know it's an Apple thing but I really couldn't be further from the Apple world so I really have no idea what its pros and cons are.

johnny-s wrote on 11/7/2024, 5:45 PM

Big plus is easy peasy editing. Ok, large files.

Once you have done part 2 using prores you can always save a 2nd project file that has all of the prores files replaced with the original source files. So if you are concerned with the tiny loss of quality with the transcoding of source files to prores file you can render using original source files. That way you can always delete the large prores files.

Realistically doing the render with the prores files should be a more stable and faster render.

Last changed by johnny-s on 11/7/2024, 5:48 PM, changed a total of 3 times.

PC 1:

Intel i9-9900K

32 GB Ram

AMD Radeon XFX RX 7900 XT

Intel UHD 630

Win 10

PC 2:

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D 16 core CPU

64 GB Ram

Nvidia 4090 GPU

Intel A770 GPU

Win 11

 

Laptop:

Intel 11th. Gen 8 core CPU. i9-11900K

64 GB Ram

Nvidia RTX 3080 GPU

Win 10

mark-y wrote on 11/7/2024, 8:46 PM

For help on these peer forums, we always like to see your source media properties. Some handle well, others crap out completely. Some more information about your project, including screenshots, is also appreciated.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/important-information-required-to-help-you--110457/

mitchib1440 wrote on 11/8/2024, 4:58 AM

My apologies, I'm new here.

Here is all of the information:

The cameras I used:
GoPro HERO4 Silver (Recording at 2704x1520, 23.98 FPS)
GoPro HERO5 Session (Recording at 1920x1080, 50 FPS)
GoPro HERO6 Black (Recording at 4000x3000, 23.98 FPS)
GoPro MAX (which has already been processed into standard flat video using GoPro Player into a video file that is 3840x2160 at 23.98 FPS)
VanTrue N4 Pro (Front camera recording at 3840x2160, 30 FPS and cabin camera recording at 1920x1080, 30 FPS)
Two screen recordings from an iPad Pro 2021. (Of our CCTV system because extracting footage from the cameras themselves is a nightmare) The screen recordings are at 1920x1440, 37.40 FPS.


HERO4:

General
Complete name                            : I:\MD4000\Shoots\Halloween 2024\HERO4\GOPR0457.MP4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 1
Codec ID                                 : mp41 (mp41)
File size                                : 3.73 GiB
Duration                                 : 11 min 49 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 45.1 Mb/s
Frame rate                               : 23.976 FPS
Encoded date                             : 2015-05-12 02:43:24 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2015-05-12 02:43:24 UTCVideo
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L5
Format settings                          : CABAC / 1 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 1 frame
Format settings, GOP                     : M=1, N=12
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 11 min 49 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 45.0 Mb/s
Width                                    : 2 704 pixels
Height                                   : 1 520 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.457
Stream size                              : 3.71 GiB (100%)
Title                                    : GoPro AVC
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2015-05-12 02:43:24 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2015-05-12 02:43:24 UTC
Color range                              : Limited
colour_range_Original                    : Full
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Codec configuration box                  : avcCAudio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 11 min 49 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 128 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 10.8 MiB (0%)
Title                                    : GoPro AAC
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2015-05-12 02:43:24 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2015-05-12 02:43:24 UTCOther #1
ID                                       : 3
Type                                     : Time code
Format                                   : QuickTime TC
Duration                                 : 11 min 49 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Time code of first frame                 : 02:43:24:19
Time code of last frame                  : 02:55:13:18
Time code, stripped                      : Yes
Title                                    : GoPro TCD
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2015-05-12 02:43:24 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2015-05-12 02:43:24 UTCOther #2
ID                                       : 3
Type                                     : meta
Format                                   : fdsc
Codec ID                                 : fdsc
Duration                                 : 11 min 49 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Title                                    : GoPro SOS
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2015-05-12 02:43:24 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2015-05-12 02:43:24 UTC
mdhd_Duration                            : 709709
Conformance errors                       : Yes
 tkhd                                    : Yes
  track_ID                               : track_ID 3 is already used by another track

Vegas Properties:

General
  Name: GP010457.MP4
  Folder: I:\MD4000\Shoots\Halloween 2024\HERO4
  Type: MAGIX AVC
  Size: 3.91 GB (4,000,962,644 bytes)
  Created: 12 May 2015, 02:55:25
  Modified: 12 May 2015, 03:07:14
  Accessed: 08 November 2024, 10:25:22
  Attributes: ArchiveStreams
  Video: 00:11:49.709, 23.976 fps progressive, 2704x1520x32, AVC
  Audio: 00:11:49.717, 48,000 Hz, Stereo, AACACID information
  ACID chunk: no
  Stretch chunk: no
  Stretch list: no
  Stretch info2: no
  Beat markers: no
  Detected beats: noOther metadata
  Regions/markers: no
  Command markers: noMedia manager
  Media tags: noPlug-In
  Name: mxcompoundplug.dll
  Folder: D:\Apps\Steam\steamapps\common\VEGAS Pro Edit 21 Steam Edition\VEGAS Pro Edit 21 Steam Edition\FileIO Plug-Ins\mxcompoundplug
  Format: MAGIX AVC
  Version: Version 21.0 (Build 315)
  Company: MAGIX Computer Products Intl. Co.

 

HERO5:

General
Complete name                            : I:\MD4000\Shoots\Halloween 2024\HERO5\GOPR0389.MP4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 1
Codec ID                                 : mp41 (mp41)
File size                                : 3.73 GiB
Duration                                 : 11 min 49 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 45.2 Mb/s
Frame rate                               : 50.000 FPS
Encoded date                             : 2015-01-05 01:15:00 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2015-01-05 01:15:00 UTCVideo
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4.2
Format settings                          : CABAC / 1 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 1 frame
Format settings, GOP                     : M=1, N=25
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 11 min 49 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 45.0 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 50.000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.434
Stream size                              : 3.71 GiB (100%)
Title                                    : GoPro AVC
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2015-01-05 01:15:00 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2015-01-05 01:15:00 UTC
Color range                              : Limited
colour_range_Original                    : Full
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Codec configuration box                  : avcCAudio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 11 min 49 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 128 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 10.8 MiB (0%)
Title                                    : GoPro AAC
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2015-01-05 01:15:00 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2015-01-05 01:15:00 UTCOther #1
ID                                       : 3
Type                                     : Time code
Format                                   : QuickTime TC
Duration                                 : 11 min 49 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Frame rate                               : 50.000 FPS
Time code of first frame                 : 01:15:01:42
Time code of last frame                  : 01:26:50:41
Time code, stripped                      : Yes
Title                                    : GoPro TCD
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2015-01-05 01:15:00 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2015-01-05 01:15:00 UTCOther #2
ID                                       : 4
Type                                     : meta
Format                                   : gpmd
Codec ID                                 : gpmd
Duration                                 : 11 min 49 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Title                                    : GoPro MET
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2015-01-05 01:15:00 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2015-01-05 01:15:00 UTCOther #3
ID                                       : 5
Type                                     : meta
Format                                   : fdsc
Codec ID                                 : fdsc
Duration                                 : 11 min 49 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Title                                    : GoPro SOS
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2015-01-05 01:15:00 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2015-01-05 01:15:00 UTC
mdhd_Duration                            : 709000

Vegas Properties:

General
  Name: GOPR0389.MP4
  Folder: I:\MD4000\Shoots\Halloween 2024\HERO5
  Type: MAGIX AVC
  Size: 3.91 GB (4,004,645,713 bytes)
  Created: 05 January 2015, 01:15:00
  Modified: 05 January 2015, 01:26:50
  Accessed: 08 November 2024, 10:09:35
  Attributes: ArchiveStreams
  Video: 00:11:49.000, 50.000 fps progressive, 1920x1080x32, AVC
  Audio: 00:11:49.013, 48,000 Hz, Stereo, AACACID information
  ACID chunk: no
  Stretch chunk: no
  Stretch list: no
  Stretch info2: no
  Beat markers: no
  Detected beats: noOther metadata
  Regions/markers: no
  Command markers: noMedia manager
  Media tags: noPlug-In
  Name: mxcompoundplug.dll
  Folder: D:\Apps\Steam\steamapps\common\VEGAS Pro Edit 21 Steam Edition\VEGAS Pro Edit 21 Steam Edition\FileIO Plug-Ins\mxcompoundplug
  Format: MAGIX AVC
  Version: Version 21.0 (Build 315)
  Company: MAGIX Computer Products Intl. Co.

 

HERO6:

General
Complete name                            : I:\MD4000\Shoots\Halloween 2024\HERO6\GX019677.MP4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 1
Codec ID                                 : mp41 (mp41)
File size                                : 3.73 GiB
Duration                                 : 6 min 54 s
Overall bit rate                         : 77.3 Mb/s
Frame rate                               : 23.976 FPS
Encoded date                             : 2016-01-03 04:57:15 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2016-01-03 04:57:15 UTCVideo
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main@L6@Main
Codec ID                                 : hvc1
Codec ID/Info                            : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration                                 : 6 min 54 s
Bit rate                                 : 77.1 Mb/s
Width                                    : 4 000 pixels
Height                                   : 3 000 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 4:3
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.268
Stream size                              : 3.72 GiB (100%)
Title                                    : GoPro H.265
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2016-01-03 04:57:15 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2016-01-03 04:57:15 UTC
Color range                              : Full
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Codec configuration box                  : hvcCAudio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 6 min 54 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 192 kb/s
Nominal bit rate                         : 48.0 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 9.35 MiB (0%)
Title                                    : GoPro AAC  
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2016-01-03 04:57:15 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2016-01-03 04:57:15 UTCOther #1
ID                                       : 3
Type                                     : Time code
Format                                   : QuickTime TC
Duration                                 : 6 min 54 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Time code of first frame                 : 05:09:52:19
Time code of last frame                  : 05:17:04:18
Time code, stripped                      : Yes
Title                                    : GoPro TCD  
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2016-01-03 04:57:15 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2016-01-03 04:57:15 UTCOther #2
ID                                       : 4
Type                                     : meta
Format                                   : gpmd
Codec ID                                 : gpmd
Duration                                 : 6 min 54 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Title                                    : GoPro MET  
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2016-01-03 04:57:15 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2016-01-03 04:57:15 UTCOther #3
ID                                       : 5
Type                                     : meta
Format                                   : fdsc
Codec ID                                 : fdsc
Duration                                 : 6 min 54 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Title                                    : GoPro SOS  
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2016-01-03 04:57:15 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2016-01-03 04:57:15 UTC
mdhd_Duration                            : 414414

Vegas Properties:

General
  Name: GX019677.MP4
  Folder: I:\MD4000\Shoots\Halloween 2024\HERO6
  Type: MAGIX HEVC
  Size: 3.91 GB (4,004,960,746 bytes)
  Created: 03 January 2016, 04:57:16
  Modified: 03 January 2016, 05:04:10
  Accessed: 08 November 2024, 10:09:46
  Attributes: ArchiveStreams
  Video: 00:06:54.414, 23.976 fps progressive, 4000x3000x32, HEVC
  Audio: 00:06:54.421, 48,000 Hz, Stereo, AACACID information
  ACID chunk: no
  Stretch chunk: no
  Stretch list: no
  Stretch info2: no
  Beat markers: no
  Detected beats: noOther metadata
  Regions/markers: no
  Command markers: noMedia manager
  Media tags: noPlug-In
  Name: mxcompoundplug.dll
  Folder: D:\Apps\Steam\steamapps\common\VEGAS Pro Edit 21 Steam Edition\VEGAS Pro Edit 21 Steam Edition\FileIO Plug-Ins\mxcompoundplug
  Format: MAGIX HEVC
  Version: Version 21.0 (Build 315)
  Company: MAGIX Computer Products Intl. Co.

 

MAX (Exported file from GoPro Player)

General
Complete name                            : I:\MD4000\Shoots\Halloween 2024\MAX\Export\GS015911.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                                 : mp42 (mp41/isom)
File size                                : 2.48 GiB
Duration                                 : 8 min 2 s
Overall bit rate                         : 44.1 Mb/s
Frame rate                               : 23.976 FPS
Encoded date                             : 2024-11-01 12:08:15 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2024-11-01 12:08:15 UTCVideo
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main@L5.2@Main
Codec ID                                 : hvc1
Codec ID/Info                            : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration                                 : 8 min 2 s
Source duration                          : 8 min 2 s
Bit rate                                 : 43.9 Mb/s
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Variable
Frame rate                               : 23.976 (23976/1000) FPS
Minimum frame rate                       : 23.976 FPS
Maximum frame rate                       : 24.000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.221
Stream size                              : 2.47 GiB (100%)
Source stream size                       : 2.47 GiB (100%)
Encoded date                             : 2024-11-01 12:08:15 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2024-11-01 12:08:15 UTC
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
mdhd_Duration                            : 482482
Codec configuration box                  : hvcCAudio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 8 min 2 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 192 kb/s
Nominal bit rate                         : 48.0 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 10.9 MiB (0%)
Encoded date                             : 2024-11-01 12:08:15 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2024-11-01 12:08:15 UTC
mdhd_Duration                            : 482496Other
ID                                       : 3
Type                                     : Time code
Format                                   : QuickTime TC
Duration                                 : 8 min 2 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Frame rate                               : 23.976 (23976/1000) FPS
Time code of first frame                 : 13:24:46:02
Time code of last frame                  : 13:33:09:12
Time code, stripped                      : Yes
Title                                    : GoPro TCD  
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2024-04-22 12:52:00 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2024-04-22 12:52:00 UTC
mdhd_Duration                            : 482482

Vegas Properties:

General
  Name: GS015911.mp4
  Folder: I:\MD4000\Shoots\Halloween 2024\MAX\Export
  Type: MAGIX HEVC
  Size: 2.60 GB (2,660,319,428 bytes)
  Created: 01 November 2024, 11:54:13
  Modified: 01 November 2024, 12:14:35
  Accessed: 08 November 2024, 10:09:57
  Attributes: ArchiveStreams
  Video: 00:08:02.500, 24.000 fps progressive, 3840x2160x32, HEVC
  Audio: 00:08:02.496, 48,000 Hz, Stereo, AACACID information
  ACID chunk: no
  Stretch chunk: no
  Stretch list: no
  Stretch info2: no
  Beat markers: no
  Detected beats: noOther metadata
  Regions/markers: no
  Command markers: noMedia manager
  Media tags: noPlug-In
  Name: mxcompoundplug.dll
  Folder: D:\Apps\Steam\steamapps\common\VEGAS Pro Edit 21 Steam Edition\VEGAS Pro Edit 21 Steam Edition\FileIO Plug-Ins\mxcompoundplug
  Format: MAGIX HEVC
  Version: Version 21.0 (Build 315)
  Company: MAGIX Computer Products Intl. Co.


VanTrue N4 Pro (Front camera):

General
Complete name                            : I:\MD4000\Shoots\Halloween 2024\N4 Pro\20241031_194428_33086_N_A.MP4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                                 : mp42 (isom/avc1/mp42)
File size                                : 232 MiB
Duration                                 : 1 min 0 s
Overall bit rate                         : 32.4 Mb/s
Frame rate                               : 30.000 FPS
Encoded date                             : 2024-10-31 19:45:28 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2024-10-31 19:45:28 UTCVideo
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main@L5@Main
Codec ID                                 : hvc1
Codec ID/Info                            : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration                                 : 1 min 0 s
Bit rate                                 : 31.9 Mb/s
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 30.000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.128
Stream size                              : 228 MiB (98%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2024-10-31 19:45:28 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2024-10-31 19:45:28 UTC
Color range                              : Full
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Codec configuration box                  : hvcCAudio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 59 s 968 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 64.0 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 1 channel
Channel layout                           : M
Sampling rate                            : 16.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 15.625 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 468 KiB (0%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2024-10-31 19:45:28 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2024-10-31 19:45:28 UTC
mdhd_Duration                            : 59968

Vegas Properties:

General
  Name: 20241031_194428_33086_N_A.MP4
  Folder: I:\MD4000\Shoots\Halloween 2024\N4 Pro
  Type: AVC
  Size: 237.57 MB (243,269,632 bytes)
  Created: 31 October 2024, 23:48:36
  Modified: 31 October 2024, 19:45:28
  Accessed: 08 November 2024, 10:10:08
  Attributes: ArchiveStreams
  Audio: 00:00:59.968, 16,000 Hz, Mono, AACACID information
  ACID chunk: no
  Stretch chunk: no
  Stretch list: no
  Stretch info2: no
  Beat markers: no
  Detected beats: noOther metadata
  Regions/markers: no
  Command markers: noMedia manager
  Media tags: noPlug-In
  Name: compoundplug.dll
  Folder: D:\Apps\Steam\steamapps\common\VEGAS Pro Edit 21 Steam Edition\VEGAS Pro Edit 21 Steam Edition\FileIO Plug-Ins\compoundplug
  Format: AVC
  Version: Version 21.0 (Build 315)
  Company: MAGIX Computer Products Intl. Co.


VanTrue N4 Pro (Cabin camera):

General
Complete name                            : I:\MD4000\Shoots\Halloween 2024\N4 Pro\20241031_194428_33086_N_B.MP4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                                 : mp42 (isom/avc1/mp42)
File size                                : 74.0 MiB
Duration                                 : 1 min 0 s
Overall bit rate                         : 10.3 Mb/s
Frame rate                               : 30.000 FPS
Encoded date                             : 2024-10-31 19:45:28 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2024-10-31 19:45:28 UTCVideo
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main@L5@Main
Codec ID                                 : hvc1
Codec ID/Info                            : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration                                 : 1 min 0 s
Bit rate                                 : 9 829 kb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 30.000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.158
Stream size                              : 70.3 MiB (95%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2024-10-31 19:45:28 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2024-10-31 19:45:28 UTC
Color range                              : Full
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Codec configuration box                  : hvcCAudio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 59 s 968 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 64.0 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 1 channel
Channel layout                           : M
Sampling rate                            : 16.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 15.625 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 468 KiB (1%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2024-10-31 19:45:28 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2024-10-31 19:45:28 UTC
mdhd_Duration                            : 59968

Vegas Properties:

General
  Name: 20241031_194428_33086_N_B.MP4
  Folder: I:\MD4000\Shoots\Halloween 2024\N4 Pro
  Type: AVC
  Size: 75.78 MB (77,594,624 bytes)
  Created: 31 October 2024, 23:48:39
  Modified: 31 October 2024, 19:45:28
  Accessed: 08 November 2024, 10:10:14
  Attributes: ArchiveStreams
  Audio: 00:00:59.968, 16,000 Hz, Mono, AACACID information
  ACID chunk: no
  Stretch chunk: no
  Stretch list: no
  Stretch info2: no
  Beat markers: no
  Detected beats: noOther metadata
  Regions/markers: no
  Command markers: noMedia manager
  Media tags: noPlug-In
  Name: compoundplug.dll
  Folder: D:\Apps\Steam\steamapps\common\VEGAS Pro Edit 21 Steam Edition\VEGAS Pro Edit 21 Steam Edition\FileIO Plug-Ins\compoundplug
  Format: AVC
  Version: Version 21.0 (Build 315)
  Company: MAGIX Computer Products Intl. Co.


The screen recording of the CCTV footage (please excuse the file path, it had annoyed me while trying to extract the footage):

General
Complete name                            : I:\MD4000\Shoots\Halloween 2024\Shitty CCTV\RPReplay_Final1730584802.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                                 : mp42 (isom/mp41/mp42)
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Duration                                 : 1 h 23 min
Overall bit rate                         : 18.2 Mb/s
Frame rate                               : 37.402 FPS
Performer                                : ReplayKitRecording
Encoded date                             : 2024-11-02 22:00:02 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2024-11-03 13:49:54 UTCVideo
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L5
Format settings                          : CABAC / 1 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 1 frame
Format settings, GOP                     : M=1, N=15
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 1 h 23 min
Bit rate                                 : 18.2 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 440 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 4:3
Frame rate mode                          : Variable
Frame rate                               : 37.402 FPS
Minimum frame rate                       : 4.959 FPS
Maximum frame rate                       : 600.000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.176
Stream size                              : 10.5 GiB (100%)
Title                                    : Core Media Video
Encoded date                             : 2024-11-02 22:00:02 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2024-11-03 13:49:54 UTC
Color range                              : Limited
colour_range_Original                    : Full
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Codec configuration box                  : avcCAudio
ID                                       : 1
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Title                                    : Core Media Audio
Encoded date                             : 2024-11-02 22:00:02 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2024-11-03 13:49:54 UTC

Vegas Properties:

General
  Name: RPReplay_Final1730584802.mp4
  Folder: I:\MD4000\Shoots\Halloween 2024\Shitty CCTV
  Type: MAGIX AVC
  Size: 11.05 GB (11,319,978,225 bytes)
  Created: 05 November 2024, 01:20:12
  Modified: 05 November 2024, 01:43:01
  Accessed: 08 November 2024, 10:10:27
  Attributes: ArchiveStreams
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  Audio: 01:23:06.067, 44,100 Hz, Stereo, AACACID information
  ACID chunk: no
  Stretch chunk: no
  Stretch list: no
  Stretch info2: no
  Beat markers: no
  Detected beats: noOther metadata
  Regions/markers: no
  Command markers: noMedia manager
  Media tags: noPlug-In
  Name: mxcompoundplug.dll
  Folder: D:\Apps\Steam\steamapps\common\VEGAS Pro Edit 21 Steam Edition\VEGAS Pro Edit 21 Steam Edition\FileIO Plug-Ins\mxcompoundplug
  Format: MAGIX AVC
  Version: Version 21.0 (Build 315)
  Company: MAGIX Computer Products Intl. Co.


The final video will be privately uploaded to YouTube for sharing with close family and friends. It will not be public.

A screenshot of the project file and other info is attached. Rendering profile not shown because I have tried so many and none of them work.



Please disregard all video date and time values, the videos were recorded on the 31st of October, 2024. I just didn't set the date and time for some of the older cameras.


I think that's everything I can provide. I can try to get a video of what happens when trying to render but I'm working right now so that will have to be later if you need it.

3POINT wrote on 11/8/2024, 5:15 AM

Mixing different framerates is never a good idea and also recordings with variable framerates is a challenge for every NLE.

mitchib1440 wrote on 11/8/2024, 5:20 AM

I understand, but this isn't a professional production. This is just a personal video project. I've done the same for the past 4 years and never had a problem. I forgot to correctly set the recording modes on a few of the cameras, but I was doing a lot that night. And there was no way I could match all of the framerates anyway as I was working with so many different cameras.

Regardless, I still need to fix the problem. Can you tell me which video source is causing issues?

Dexcon wrote on 11/8/2024, 5:25 AM

Thank you for uploading all the MediaInfo data.

There's certainly a cornucopia of differing frame rates, frame sizes and codecs in your project, but the problem may relate to the mp4 HEVC (H.265) media rather than the mp4 AVC (H.264) media. HEVC video is much more compressed than AVC video and can thus cause problems for video editors. There are two main approaches you could employ:

1. Activate 'Enable Experimental HEVC decoding' in Preferences / File I/O; and/or

2. Transcode the HEVC video to AVC video - you can do this in Vegas Pro 21 by rendering using a MAGIX AVC/AAC MP4 template and replace the HEVC video in your project with the AVC renders.

In Vegas 21, I had to do the transcode option for 4K HEVC video from my GoPro Hero Black 11 camera - but this was more for timeline performance than rendering issues.

If you didn't have the Steam version of Vegas Pro 21, a recommendation would have to go back to build 208, but it has been mentioned before on the forum that Steam doesn't allow roll backs to an earlier build.

Last changed by Dexcon on 11/8/2024, 5:31 AM, changed a total of 1 times.

Cameras: Sony FDR-AX100E; GoPro Hero 11 Black Creator Edition

Installed: Vegas Pro 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 & 22, HitFilm Pro 2021.3, DaVinci Resolve Studio 19.0.3, BCC 2025, Mocha Pro 2025.0, NBFX TotalFX 7, Neat NR, DVD Architect 6.0, MAGIX Travel Maps, Sound Forge Pro 16, SpectraLayers Pro 11, iZotope RX11 Advanced and many other iZ plugins, Vegasaur 4.0

Windows 11

Dell Alienware Aurora 11:

10th Gen Intel i9 10900KF - 10 cores (20 threads) - 3.7 to 5.3 GHz

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8GB GDDR6 - liquid cooled

64GB RAM - Dual Channel HyperX FURY DDR4 XMP at 3200MHz

C drive: 2TB Samsung 990 PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 PCIe SSD

D: drive: 4TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD (used for media for editing current projects)

E: drive: 2TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD

F: drive: 6TB WD 7200 rpm Black HDD 3.5"

Dell Ultrasharp 32" 4K Color Calibrated Monitor

 

LAPTOP:

Dell Inspiron 5310 EVO 13.3"

i5-11320H CPU

C Drive: 1TB Corsair Gen4 NVMe M.2 2230 SSD (upgraded from the original 500 GB SSD)

Monitor is 2560 x 1600 @ 60 Hz

3POINT wrote on 11/8/2024, 5:29 AM

Regardless, I still need to fix the problem. Can you tell me which video source is causing issues?

Difficult to say. It seems that every camera uses it's own track in your project. You could mute/unmute different tracks and render to find out which track/camera causes the issue.

Dexcon wrote on 11/8/2024, 5:52 AM

... but this isn't a professional production. This is just a personal video project.

Vegas Pro or any other video editor (NLE) don't discriminate with functions based on whether the project is a professional or a personal project.

Three considerations:

1. Did your previous productions involve HEVC media?

2. The video engine of Vegas Pro began an upgrade process in Vegas Pro 21 so was still a 'work in progress'.

3. Your project involves 4k and larger media. Even though your end product is 1920x1080 HD, the recommended specification using 4K in Vegas Pro 21 was 32GB RAM - and still is for Vegas Pro 22. Given the wide variety of media being used - particularly HEVC - maybe 16GB RAM is choking the render.

Cameras: Sony FDR-AX100E; GoPro Hero 11 Black Creator Edition

Installed: Vegas Pro 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 & 22, HitFilm Pro 2021.3, DaVinci Resolve Studio 19.0.3, BCC 2025, Mocha Pro 2025.0, NBFX TotalFX 7, Neat NR, DVD Architect 6.0, MAGIX Travel Maps, Sound Forge Pro 16, SpectraLayers Pro 11, iZotope RX11 Advanced and many other iZ plugins, Vegasaur 4.0

Windows 11

Dell Alienware Aurora 11:

10th Gen Intel i9 10900KF - 10 cores (20 threads) - 3.7 to 5.3 GHz

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8GB GDDR6 - liquid cooled

64GB RAM - Dual Channel HyperX FURY DDR4 XMP at 3200MHz

C drive: 2TB Samsung 990 PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 PCIe SSD

D: drive: 4TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD (used for media for editing current projects)

E: drive: 2TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD

F: drive: 6TB WD 7200 rpm Black HDD 3.5"

Dell Ultrasharp 32" 4K Color Calibrated Monitor

 

LAPTOP:

Dell Inspiron 5310 EVO 13.3"

i5-11320H CPU

C Drive: 1TB Corsair Gen4 NVMe M.2 2230 SSD (upgraded from the original 500 GB SSD)

Monitor is 2560 x 1600 @ 60 Hz

mitchib1440 wrote on 11/8/2024, 6:21 AM

Thanks for the response.

1 - Yes I believe so. I commonly use the HERO6 Black which shoots in HEVC. Though I don't always use it. I can confirm this isn't the first time I've used it though.

2 - That's good to know, I'll be a little more patient with it. I'm submitting all of the bug reports that I can when I get the opportunity to do so, though I accept that this may be partly my fault for not working with ideal video files.

3 - I've been meaning to upgrade my laptop's RAM anyway and It does have the capacity for another ram slot, so this is pretty good motivation to get that upgrade I guess.

 

I've made those changes as mentioned in your first reply, and attempting another render now. Will update here how it goes. Thank you! If there's any other info you need from me, reply in the thread and i'll add it ASAP.

mark-y wrote on 11/8/2024, 7:52 AM
  1. Fully half of your files are Variable Frame Rate. That will never work.
  2. All of your files are GoPro, or worse, GoPro HEVC
  3. Mixing frame rates is a science, not one I think you are ready for yet.

Your first step should be to convert all of your files to the same format in the free Shutter Encoder. I'll take a leap of faith and suggest these settings for your first tests.

  • 1920x1080 Progressive
  • 30 FPS Constant Frame Rate
  • .h264/AVC format
  • CQ 20 Automatic Bit Rate (ABR)

Once that's done, come back here and we can help you begin to unravel the spiderweb of contingencies you have created for yourself. You have to walk before you can run.

Steve_Rhoden wrote on 11/8/2024, 9:07 AM

I fully agree with the suggestion to batch convert them first using shuttle Encoder..... Trust me.

mitchib1440 wrote on 11/12/2024, 3:39 PM

Quick update on this - While I was waiting for the files to convert, I got my old desktop back out and loaded the project file onto it (with the unconverted files in their native formats just like I had originally tried to do on my laptop) and it rendered perfectly.

I still don't really understand what the problem is. That computer does indeed have 32GB of memory, if that makes a difference. But my laptop wouldn't even render the video with the 4K footage muted.

So I decided to run a quick test render on my laptop using some AVC, 1080p, 25fps footage.
Once again, it freezes. This is in no way the fault of the footage I'm using. It just doesn't like my laptop for whatever reason. The preview window goes black and the render bar gets stuck at whatever percentage it's on. CPU usage drops to 0.10% and disk usage drops to 0%. Render duration freezes, as does the elapsed and remaining timers.

Vegas Pro 18 has worked on this computer for a long time with no such issues. I likely can't get a Steam refund now as I've had the program open for way more than 2 hours total. So I don't really know what I can do to make it work.

Candive wrote on 11/12/2024, 4:09 PM

@mitchib1440

Perhaps it's a hardware issue. The specs of your laptop is AMD. What is the specs for your desktop? Have you tried installing VP21 on your desktop?

mitchib1440 wrote on 11/12/2024, 5:02 PM

Yeah, I installed VP21 on my desktop (Can't open my editing file in VP18 anymore) and it worked fine. Exact same project with the full files exactly as they came out of the cameras, but they render just fine on my desktop. (Which isn't as powerful as my laptop)

Laptop specs (Repeating for convenience):
Framework Laptop 16
16GB DDR5 RAM
AMD Ryzen 9 7940HS
AMD Radeon RX 7700S (8GB VRAM)
Windows 11 Pro 23H2
Vegas Pro Edit 21.0 (Build 315)

Desktop specs:
Custom-built gaming rig
32GB DDR4 RAM
AMD Ryzen 7 2700X
MSI NVIDIA GeForce 1060 (6GB VRAM)
Asus ROG STRIX B450-F
Windows 10 Home 22H2
Vegas Pro 21.0 (Build 315) (Installed via Steam, just like on my laptop)

mitchib1440 wrote on 11/13/2024, 9:42 AM

Update: it's my laptop GPU.

This being a Framework, I was able to remove the GPU module and replace it with the standard expansion bay shell so the computer uses the built-in graphics instead. And it rendered perfectly fine with all of the original files, too. So it's something about my Radeon 7700S that Vegas 21 has a problem with.