VEGAS pro with control surfaces...?

LongJohn wrote on 2/18/2020, 8:38 AM

I notice that Vegas Pro shows drivers for Presonus Fadeport but can't see any tech spec. evidence/documentation for compatibility on Magix or Presonus sites. Anyone tried this? Behringer X-touch is the other obvious option; same cryptic problem. FYI: I have the nice Behringer BCF2000 8-track Mackie controller. Works fine with Premiere but can't get this to talk to VEGAS, which is my preferred NLE by miles. Feedback appreciated: we really need to make this easier to find for other users as I can see the question being repeated but no helpful answers.

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Dot wrote on 2/18/2020, 8:40 AM

I don't know what you have done to make it work, but after setting it up as a Midi (assuming it is a Midi interface) you also have to enable the External Control. Sometimes I forget to do this when I set up my Korg Nanokontrol.

LongJohn wrote on 2/18/2020, 8:51 AM

Hi Dot. Thanks for fast response. It's more what I haven't done to make it fail to work! However, I understand what you are saying: I saw a YouTube video where someone had ticked the correct boxes and got it to work long-hand. Ideally I would just like something that worked - as the ShuttlePro does, albeit with a bit of setting up. Currently I am seeing a lot of people saying that they have bought kit and sent it back because they can't get it to work. MAGIX - or the wider community - could make this easier for fellow users who appreciate the speed of external interfaces. Have you had success with the Korg unit for audio mixing? If so, send me a link/description and I may just buy one of those if they work.

Dot wrote on 2/18/2020, 10:20 AM

The Korg is not a plug/play option. You have to assign it as a Generic Midi and then LEARN each button or slider. It takes a while to set up. Also, it does not set the volume pots to match what is on your timeline, you have to "catch" it each time you open a project or start a new one. After that though, it is good to do a mix with. I have just ordered the Behring Xtouch mini which I am hoping will fix some of my issues about the Korg. It seems to read the current settings and set the pots to match, but I will see. Supposedly it can run as a Mackie Control which Vegas has a default setting.

LongJohn wrote on 2/18/2020, 10:56 AM

Bless you; that is helpful. I have put in a direct question to MAGIX to see if their development team have any suggestions or other input. Nominally, it looks as though my Behringer BCF2000 should work as it is Mackie Control compatible. Maybe it needs manually mapping - if you can manually map Mackie Controls (?) or I need to press another button to get it to show up. I am sure we are on the same page: I prefer to do final tweaks to voice and music bed tracks using sliders rather than trying to do it on screen or with control points. Trying to dredge through the heaps of bizarre YouTube videos ("Look this slider makes the volume go up and down" - you think?!) is pretty painful! If you can, share your results with the X-touch; they look like good value. Thanks. John

joost-berk wrote on 2/18/2020, 1:12 PM

I use a Behringer X-touch contoller with Vegas Pro 17 and it works flawless! Verry smooth fader and button operaton. The only issue that I had to resolve was that on my new AMD system, the USB and the X-touch did not start. This is no issue on Intel systems, that works wel without any drivers. For the AMD system I had to bought a extra PCIe USB board. After installing the X-touch works without issues.

Just select MIDI devices in Vegas and select the X-touch, then go to External Control and select Mackie Emulation and then the X-touch. Then enable External Control and your faders will come to life! Enjoy!

Vegas Pro user since version 1.2

OS: Windows 10 Pro (Latest version)

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3800X

RAM: 32GB DDR4 3200MHz

GPU: Nvidia GeForce RTX 2080 Super 8GB GDDR (Latest Studio Driver)

Monitoring: Black Magic Design DeckLink SDI 4K (or Nvidia HDMI for 4K HDR)

Audio: M-Audio M-Track Eight ASIO

Controller: Behringer X-Touch

LongJohn wrote on 2/18/2020, 1:31 PM

That's great news. Thanks for the heads-up, really appreciated. Am I right in thinking that they do an 8 track version as well as the solo one. In any case it's good to have a route forward. Are you mapping buttons to your preferred actions or using some default ?

joost-berk wrote on 2/18/2020, 2:13 PM

@LongJohn that's correct. They sell the 8 track version. That's the one I'm using. The full name for that one is "X-Touch" It really is a smoother device than the old BCF-2000.

Vegas Pro user since version 1.2

OS: Windows 10 Pro (Latest version)

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3800X

RAM: 32GB DDR4 3200MHz

GPU: Nvidia GeForce RTX 2080 Super 8GB GDDR (Latest Studio Driver)

Monitoring: Black Magic Design DeckLink SDI 4K (or Nvidia HDMI for 4K HDR)

Audio: M-Audio M-Track Eight ASIO

Controller: Behringer X-Touch

Dot wrote on 2/18/2020, 3:10 PM

joost-berk, thanks for the information. Gives me hope for my Xtouch Mini. I am supposed to get it Thursday.

LongJohn wrote on 2/18/2020, 4:48 PM

Thanks guys. Really, one of the most useful forum feedback sessions I've ever had. Great news about the 8-track. I'll get one of these ordered and that's another problem solved...

It's not important at this stage but as a matter of interest how did you go about mapping the plethora of buttons? Can you just walk through it and map it out to do what you want and save it as a preset?

Once I have the time to get to the other side of this I will try to add a link back into the forum with my final solution and hopefully it will be appreciated by someone else unnecessarily groping about in the darkness!

John

joost-berk wrote on 2/19/2020, 9:33 AM

@LongJohn I find the mapping of all buttons verry straight forward. Most buttons are mapped as you expect. But I believe there is a way to remap all buttons to your on needs in the preferences. I never did this, because the mapping is logical.

Vegas Pro user since version 1.2

OS: Windows 10 Pro (Latest version)

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3800X

RAM: 32GB DDR4 3200MHz

GPU: Nvidia GeForce RTX 2080 Super 8GB GDDR (Latest Studio Driver)

Monitoring: Black Magic Design DeckLink SDI 4K (or Nvidia HDMI for 4K HDR)

Audio: M-Audio M-Track Eight ASIO

Controller: Behringer X-Touch

LongJohn wrote on 2/19/2020, 9:53 AM

Thanks. Pragmatically, I have gone through various phases of mapping buttons on my old Behringer unit and Shuttle Pro/Shuttle Pro v2's. You need to have some time on your hands but it is worth it in the end. By the look of it I may be able to have just the one unit on my main workstation if I can get the X-touch sliders and jog wheel to play nicely. If I am reading the specs right, it looks as though they have oddly implemented different Midi/Mackie control parameters on the X-touch one/X-touch and X-touch compact. It is useful to know that you have the multi-track one up and running. I did put a pre-sales request through to Behringer but they don't seem to be good at talking to their potential customers. They could potentially be selling a lot of these to VEGAS users. My thanks again to you for taking the time to respond.

John

Dot wrote on 2/20/2020, 10:34 PM

Apparently neither Vegas 12 nor Acid pro conforms to the Mackie spec or the Xtouch Mini does not. The only thing I can control under Mackie emulation is the PANS. Volume is not controlled. I have tried various times and it does not work. The MASTER fader works fine. I can get it to work under a Generic Midi Controller,, but it is the same drawbacks as my Korg Nanokontrol, you have to "catch" the volume pots to control them and in Vegas 12 it doesn't work as well as my Korg did. Disappointed a bit. I also have Sonar XE DAW and not all functions work as I expected but the ones that do work, work very well.

LongJohn wrote on 2/20/2020, 11:32 PM

Disappointed for you Dot... and me! Interestingly I finally had a curt note back from Magix saying that drivers were included for the Presonus, which I had already told them in my mail, except that I am not seeing any set-up support info or evidence of success. People are apparently sending their Presonus units back because they can't get them to work. My old BCF2000 is Mackie Control compatible but I'm damned if I can get it to work otherwise I wouldn't have started on my quest to bug people worldwide about this! Disappointingly (presesent company excluded), most of the responses have been pointless or else truisms about "reaching or to the manufacturers for support...". The hardware manufactures, despite being advised that there is a plethora of unanswered threads which suggests a lot of potential customer, are saying "dunno, we don't have the software, so can't test". Buy a copy guys or else call up Magix and ask for a development copy. Doh! It would be good to get the attention of Gary Rebholz or someone with a bit of sense to get this addressed. Cheers, John