Vegas Same Day Edits

rdolishny wrote on 6/18/2010, 2:37 PM
I've been happily plugging away with my Vegas 8 on a laptop for years now, and just revisited the Sony forum to download in install Vegas 9.

These forums have become rather noxious. :(

I love making money with Vegas and have been doing so for years. I use Avid professionally because most networks are run by overpaid engineers who would lose their jobs if tools as easy as Vegas (and FCP for that matter) were allowed to take root.

Anyway, I've added the Same Day Edit to my billable options at Blush and I'm incredibly proud of the performance and ability of Vegas 8, and 9 looks to be even better with videofx's like Soft Contrast. That is amazing! My SDEs are cut in 45-90 minutes and render in about 30 minutes. I wish the rendering was a bit faster, but I like how flexible Vegas works while in creation mode. I can deal with a 30 minute render; I go insane watching Premiere crash with memory leaks and Avid with its archaic file structure. FCP runs on overpriced hardware which I enjoy using as long as someone else is paying for it.

These videos got a treatment with Magic Bullet Looks.


xberk wrote on 6/18/2010, 4:33 PM
Nice job for a first same day edit. I liked it. It wasn't that long ago that something like this produced on the same day would have seemed impossible.

Royal York Hotel -- Toronto, right? Great hotel.

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rdolishny wrote on 6/18/2010, 5:45 PM
Royal York, yes!
arenel wrote on 6/20/2010, 10:58 AM
I took a look at your prices, do you include the A/V package with the SDE, and when do you present it?

Dave_OnSet wrote on 6/20/2010, 5:24 PM
If you're using Vegas 9 / 64bit with a fast computer processor (like an i7) you may be able to cut your rendering times considerably!
I know my i7 alienware win7/64 desktop with Vegas 9e/64bit renders anywhere between 5x and 10x faster than my Vaio Core2Duo notebook w/ Vista32 / Vegas9e/32bit. (in other words, what would take me 5 - 10 hours on the 32 bit notebook is taking me under an hour on the faster 64bit desktop.)
erikd wrote on 6/20/2010, 11:53 PM
Nice job period. The fact that it was same day makes it amazing in my book. Really good work. Sorry, if I missed some of the specs but which camera(s), lens(es) and steadicam rig are you using?

rdolishny wrote on 6/21/2010, 1:27 PM
@erikd: Thank you! EX1 without any adapter lenses, Vegas 8 (now upgraded to 9), Glidecam Pro with vest.

@arenel: SDE is $1000 and must come with one package, like the Gold at $2850. So for $3850 you get a SDE at 10PM plus a DVD of the day a few weeks later.

BTW really loving my v9 upgrade. I wish I did this sooner but I've been really busy! :) Soft contrast is incredible for a Real Time filter.
rdolishny wrote on 6/21/2010, 1:29 PM
Those are amazing numbers. So in addition to a faster processor, does the 64bit version just render faster as well?
Dave_OnSet wrote on 6/21/2010, 9:35 PM
I've always worked with the 64 bit versions on faster machines, but the speed increase in the rendering seems to be MUCH more than just the relative speed increases from one processor to the next. I would HIGHLY recommend going 64 bit for any project where quick renders are a necessity (the way they are for you)
Earl_J wrote on 6/21/2010, 11:53 PM
Hello Rick,
on the test HD John Cline posted a while back, my old machine took 24 minutes to render the test video - 32-bit Vegas on 32-bit machine...
With 64-bit Win 7, running the Vegas 8 32-bit version, the render time was reduced to 4 minutes; with Vegas 9 64-bit version running on Win 7 64-bit OS, the time was reduced to 1 minute and 11 seconds ... quite the reduction from 24 minutes... and about 75% between 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Vegas.
I'm not sure how much separate drives and other configuration factors matter overall, but using the same configuration with the only difference as the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Vegas 8 and Vegas 9, it appears to me that 64-bit works 75% faster than the 32-bit version on the same machine.
Now, there might be an increase of efficiency in the programming between V8.0 32-bit and V9.0 64-bit, so there might be advantages of simply running one version of the software over another regardless of the 32-bit/64-bit difference ... I can't speak to that.
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As the bits in a programming language increase, the language becomes more complex, which means that there are more variations of the language that are available for use in writing programs in that language... it's a lot like the difference between the Hawaiian language with 5 vowels and only 11 consonants (16 total letters) and the English language with 5 vowels and 21 consonants (26 total letters) ... the English language can be more descriptive and contain many more variations of a single notion than the Hawaiian language.
At the same time that the language gets more complex, it also becomes more efficient. As with the English language, we can use a specific word to describe an item and transfer that meaning in a more efficient manner than a more primitive language ... so, although the language itself becomes more complex, each word becomes more specific and the transfer of ideas and data become more efficient.
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Please forgive me for running on so much ... your question put me in teacher mode; I sincerely apologize if I insulted your intelligence. Others may have the same, it may not be the complete waste of time it might appear to be... (grin)
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A final note: the third piece of the computer trilogy is RAM ... faster processors and more efficient operating systems improve the ability of the computer to do more things faster, but only if there is somewhere to store the intermediate answers and computations it can perform in the blink of an eye ... so, processor speed, complexity of the operating system (and also the application being run 32-bit or 64-bit Vegas), and the amount of RAM are critical to making a machine run at its most efficient.
In the long run, the simplest step, and least expensive, to increasing speed is still to insert more RAM. In the world of multiple processors, the recommendation is to install at least 2 GB per processor - as recommended by several members here on the forum.

Until that time... Earl J.
rdolishny wrote on 6/22/2010, 11:02 AM