Vegas slowing down

jredman wrote on 6/29/2006, 10:39 AM
Vegas (ver 6.0a) has recently started to show only about every 5th or 10th frame when previewing a project. I didn't think too much of it at the time I started to notice, because I knew I had done several things that could have been the cause of the problem and didn't have time to try to resolve it. But now I can't seem to find the problem or resolve it. Previously, I could preview my project at the "Best (Full)" setting and it would show full, crisp, smooth video.

I did several, unrelated things, about the same time (I know, don't ever do this without verifying at each step, I just didn't have the time, at the time.) and don't know if I changed a setting in Vegas or made some other inadvertent change. Here is the sequence of events as I remember them:


My system (IBM Intellistation Z Pro 3.07 Ghz with 1 GB RAM) has the ability to drive two monitors. I hooked up a second monitor and activated the monitor in the "Display Properties" dialogue in Windows XP.

I added a a Maxtor 650 GB external firewire hard drive.

I was using a Sony TRV900, 3 CCD DV camcorder with 4:3 standard DV resolution at 30i. I switched to a Canon XL2, using 16:9 in 24P mode.

I stopped capturing to tape and started capturing directly to a Thinkpad using firewire to my XL2. The captured clips were not segregated as separate files, all of the takes on a single capture became one large file, even though I stopped capture and restarted capture. So the files I was dealing with were much larger (longer duration) than normal. And I had to crop them much more than normal. I have since resolved the larger file issue.


This is when I noticed that the system was no longer letting me view at full frames in Best resolution within Vegas. I also noticed the system building proxy audio files, which it had never done before.

I don't know how much video I captured or edited between the time I changed the monitor to the time I noticed the slowdown in replay. I may not have captured or edited anything or I may only have edited previously captured (from the Sony) video, I just can't remember.

I originally thought that there must be something in capturing directly to the Thinkpad that made the files larger (maybe more information in the file). I checked by capturing a 10 second clip directly to the Thinkpad then capturing a 10 second clip from a tape, both on the XL2, both on the Thinkpad, with the same settings (16:9, 24p). The files were the same size.

I changed the monitor settings back, to support only one monitor. This had no effect.

I put some original Sony, 4:3, standard DV files (old ones) on the internal hard drive (moved them from the external Maxtor) and brought them up in Vegas from the "C:" drive. This didn't help.

It also seems to take longer to render a finished video. I never paid much attention before but I recently rendered a 16:9, 24p 720 X 480 wide screen of 3:40 of finished wmv, video and it took about an hour and 20 minutes. I recently rendered a 7:32 video and it took almost 2 ½ hours.

I'm at a loss. This may be something I have to live with but after being able to preview in Best (Full) mode and now only being able to preview in "Draft (Full)" mode, it slows down the entire process. Not to mention the fact that rendering seems to take a lot longer.

I apologize for the long post!

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Comments

fldave wrote on 6/29/2006, 1:52 PM
Tried unplugging the firewire drive and then playing a timeline?

Firewire drive using DMA?

Run the Task Manager with Processes tab selected while playing something in Vegas? Hint - click on the CPU column to sort descending.

Project Properties match source video? 720x480 24p with audio properties matching the source audio format?

Virus?

v6a: upgrade to v6d? It's free.

C: drive near full or paging file too small/corrupted?
winrockpost wrote on 6/29/2006, 2:17 PM
as dave said ...... Project Properties match source video? 720x480 24p with audio properties matching the source audio format?

v6a: upgrade to v6d? It's free.

sorry dave, just supporting your good advise
je@on wrote on 6/29/2006, 5:35 PM
Why not upgrade to 6d?
jredman wrote on 6/30/2006, 7:27 AM
OK.

I've upgraded to 6.0d, unplugged the firewire drive, run Task Manager (nothing unusual shows up and nothing else seems to be using CPU cycles), my project properties match the video source, virus protected 7 ways from sundown, drive not near full and not corrupted.

I just can't figure out why it was working fine at one point and continues to run like a dog now.

- Jesse
Former user wrote on 6/30/2006, 7:44 AM
Probablly won't help, but have you disconnected the firewire devices and see if that changes anything?

Which Antivirus are you running? Have you tried disabling it temporarily?

Dave T2
fldave wrote on 6/30/2006, 7:56 AM
Turn Off Media Manager if it's on.

Unplug from Internet/Network, then disable Antivirus. See if that helps.

Spybot, Ad-Aware besides antivirus?

Strange.
teaktart wrote on 7/2/2006, 11:45 PM
Hi,
I'm running into a similar problem lately, extremely noticable tonight... Its taking 8-10 minutes to open a simple audio file over in SF 7 .... its "rendering"? for that long on a 15 min long song. Opening up an avi file of that length onto the V6d timeline took 10min and this is SD and all properties are correct.
I've likewise, defragged, spywared, run anti-virus scan, then turned off AV, hard drives have space,rebooted, have checked for latest updates,disconnected and reconnected external hard drives, and I've run task manager while watching Vegas 6d open my wave file in SF7 and it supposedly is only using about 2% of processor. I have a "fast" new AMD X 2 machine w/ 10k RAID etc, and am getting seriously bogged down here without any idea what else to try.

Guess I'm not alone here...
I want my speed back!

Thanks for any ideas,
Teaktart

p.s. Last night I couldn't even get full fps in "preview" with standard DV... and the night before working with new Cinescore program crashed every 5 minutes..... Tonight preview is worse and now I'm just about ground to a halt.....
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PPS>>> I just got an error while trying again to "open a copy in sound Forge"

It reads:
An error occurred during the current operation. The system is low on memory. You may be able to reduce memory usage by closing other applications.
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I Only have Vegas and Sound Forge open besides the web here. My machine has 4 GB of memory so I must have some kind of bottle neck that has arrived recently. I haven't changed any settings.... How do you clear out a 'memory' problem?

Looking at the "Processes" tab in Task Mgr the biggest memory usage : is to " sqlsevr.exe" "iexplore.exe" and "svchost.exe"
YET ..... ..CPU usage is below 5%
fldave wrote on 7/3/2006, 5:16 AM
If you haven't deliberately installed anything lately, you can try System Restore, if you have it turned on. Just restore back to about a week ago and see if that clears it up.
jredman wrote on 7/13/2006, 9:24 AM
I'm still experiencing the slow down. Have unplugged and checked everything. The Windows Task Manager doesn't show anything unusual. Nothing is taking up CPU cycles (above 2%) except Vegas.

I think the problem lies in Vegas. I've tried loading older (I have played it at normal video rates before) and it plays slow.

I can select a video in the "Explorer" window, set to auto play and it plays fine. But, when I drop it on the timeline, I can no longer play it above "Draft" or it gets choppy.

I don't think I can do a restore as I have enabled it.
mark-woollard wrote on 7/31/2006, 6:58 PM
This may be irrelevant to your Vegas problem but I'm wondering if you recently installed a Windows Update. I did and now certain functions in DVD Architect have slowed to a crawl, including launching the program, updating the explorer window, preparing the dvd and launching the burn function. Playback on the timeline, preview and the actual burning process are normal.

Windows explorer has also slowed to a crawl. I'm going to try system restore tomorrow and see if that helps.

Mark
chrisconleyradio wrote on 8/1/2006, 7:51 PM
how about turning off the feature that lets vegas "comunicate over the internet" or something like that?
fldave wrote on 8/1/2006, 8:26 PM
I've noticed more and more people are reporting slowdowns lately. I think that Windows Update may be the source. I haven't run it lately, and I have no problems.

General Windows release history: the older an OS is, the more it gets patch upon patch. Eventually, you can't patch without degrading the overall operations/performance.

Now realize, most everyone "should" be on Windows Vista by now, in the grand initial rollout of Vista. Vista is just 1-2 years late, so far. So XP is in the initial "twilight" phase where they really don't care if they fix issues, to prompt you to upgrade to fix your problems. Although the problem is, Vista is not released yet.

That, and the numerous security patches the past few years, not only for the OS, but anti-virus and supporting utilities.

I think a recent Windows Update has broken something significant in XP, at least for third party software (it won't be the first time). Normally, a second patch is released to fix the break. But if no one complains, MS won't expend the effort to fix it.

So, I guess the question is, do the people having problems with Vegas slowing down a) knowingly perform a windows update, or b) have automatic updates turned on, or c) have a popular program recently updated (Norton, McAfee)?
fldave wrote on 8/1/2006, 8:32 PM
"virus protected 7 ways from sundown"

Just caught that comment. Turn it all off and see if you see any difference. Unplug internet during the test if you are concerned.

What product do you use?
Chienworks wrote on 8/1/2006, 10:24 PM
All XP updates applied and current here. Vegas is running smooth as silk and fast as a jaguar (the animal, that is, not the car). Then again i've only had this computer for a few weeks and haven't gone through the patch upon patch upon patch thang, nor installed tons of other software. My old home computer, now running with an ancient 866MHz PIII, has been patched up to date over 4 or 5 years. I has hundreds of programs installed. Vegas isn't too pokey on that either.

One thing to be wary of with the Task Manager window is that it doesn't show everything running. Try this simple example ... print a document with graphics. Your computer slows way down. The application that you print from shows nearly 0% usage. Printing itself shows up in the "system idle" entry. Lots of background tasks get lumped into that entry too. And ... if you really do have a virus or trojen running in the background, it's gonna hide itself rather than announcing, "here i am ... kill me."
johnmeyer wrote on 8/1/2006, 11:35 PM
Virus software causes more problems (for most people) than it cures. As already recommended, disable it completely, re-boot, and see if your situation improves.