Venting: Sony Support

MRe wrote on 12/20/2007, 2:37 AM
I've had problems with Media Manager after upgrading to VP8 (actually I've not used MM with previous Vegas versions). Now I chose to give it another try, but it crashes my computer and loses Sony Reference Library.

Ok, I thought that I post a support request to SCS people and wrote:

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I've been using Vegas Pro 8 since its launch without any major problems. Now I decided to install Media Manager to manage my Audio FX-library. MM installs and initally starts ok. I can enable installed Sony Reference Library and tag my audio clips. Everything works very smoothly until I restart Vegas. After the restart it says that the Reference library cannot be found and asks whether I would like to reinstall it. If I choose the reinstall, it asks if I would like to replace the existing ref.library. So obviously it still is there. It can be enabled from MM settings w/o reinstall.

After this if I load a Vegas project, it kills Vegas completely. Vegas does not give any crash dump but Vista says that the app has stopped working and needs to be shut down.

I've tried to reinstall MM several times without any success. It always acts as described.
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And got the answer:

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Hello,

Thank you for contacting Sony Creative Software.

A reference library contains information about media from a vendor.

When the Sony Sound Series Loops & Samples reference library is installed and set as the active reference library in the Media Manager Options dialog, tags and custom properties from the reference library will be applied to media from existing Sony Sound Series Loops & Samples or Loops for ACID collections when you add media to your library.

The Sony Sound Series Loops & Samples reference library is not installed by default, but you can install it from the application CD or download it here. After installing the library, go to the Media Manager Options dialog and choose the reference library from the Reference library drop-down list.

You can also use a reference library to search media files that aren't part of your collection. For example, if you're unable to find the perfect loop for an ACID or Vegas project in your own collection, you could use the Sony Sound Series Loops & Samples reference library to search the entire Sony Sound Series Loops & Samples catalog and purchase a new loop library.

You can use the Media Reference Library drop-down list in the Media Manager Options dialog to determine which library is opened when you click the Switch to Media Reference Library button .

1. Click the Switch to Media Reference Library button . The reference library specified in the Media Manager Options dialog is opened. Media in a reference library is displayed in gray text to indicate that the files are not available on your computer.

2. Find the media you're looking for with a standard or advanced search.

3. Tag media from the reference library as needed.

4. When you select a file in a reference library, the Product Information pane displays information about the selected file and a link you can use to purchase the media.

I hope this information is helpful. If you have follow up questions or need further assistance with this issue, please update this incident.

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Great. I DO know what the reference library is and where and why it is used.

I think I told that I had it installed. The problem is that Vegas (or MM) thinks that ref.lib. is not there. On the other hand MM asks whether I would like to replace it. How can I replace something non-existent? (Ref.lib. is there all the time).

And then: Vegas crashes completely. Why is this?

To my understanding not one item in the reply actually even remotely touched my problem. It looks like the helpdesk agent has not even read the initial description.

Most of the time I try to manage without any support requests but sometimes I think that this kind of request would be good info for the manufacturer to point out possible problems/shortcoming in their product. With this kind of support I should really save the bandwidth and stop global warming.

Thanks for listening (anybody out there?)

Comments

farss wrote on 12/20/2007, 4:25 AM
I hear you.
Been down a similar path. What can one say that hasn't already been said.

Bob.
drmathprog wrote on 12/20/2007, 6:07 AM
I have that T-shirt too. Unhappily, what you experienced is as good as it gets from Sony.
megabit wrote on 12/20/2007, 6:21 AM
Sorry to say that my experience with the SCS suport is similar - it's like there is no support at all. Either they do not answer, or answer as if they didn't even read my message; sort of automated response - even though the support person is named, and welcomes to fill out the "How am I doing" kind of questionanaire.

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ECB wrote on 12/20/2007, 6:35 AM
My dealings with Sony Support have been great. I worked through support with Development and they solved the problem. Did you try the Gold Support Plan? You are entitled to 90 days of Gold Support when you buy a Sony Pro Product. The clock does not strat tell you ring them up

Ed
Cheno wrote on 12/20/2007, 6:49 AM
I tend to feel that to some degree, most companies rely on the forums or other online means of getting other users of their products to help out. Granted, I'm grateful for most forums and the internet has made getting answers to problems so much easier than the early days with phone calls and hanging out waiting...

While I do believe there ought to be better pro support for pro apps, not just Sony either. I think we're in a day and age where they would rather us figure it out using online troubleshooting or using a forum. Too bad in some cases.

JJKizak wrote on 12/20/2007, 8:11 AM
JJKizak says, "If you make a perfect product you will not require support".
JJKizak says, "Just-In-Time support has not been invented yet".
JJKizak says, "Language preference for support functions has not been finalized yet".
JJKizak says, "The Congress of the USA has not set forth a one quadrillion diatrabe of how to conduct support operations without offending anyone".
JJKizak says, "If support doesn't solve your problem make sure you have your own private guru".
JJKizak says, " Never trust Bill's software at anytime as it is amorfous to tragedy".
JJKizak says, "Get a fresh cup of coffee (2 liter Pepsi for under 25) and rethink every step you took upon installation, and remember all of the old things that happened with the old software like---processor too fast for Windows and Bill had to come up with a fix.
JJKizak says, "Stuff happens".
JJK


MRe wrote on 12/20/2007, 10:46 PM
Did you try the Gold Support Plan? You are entitled to 90 days of Gold Support when you buy a Sony Pro Product.
Good idea. How do I activate / access the Gold Support?
RexA wrote on 12/21/2007, 1:45 AM
"I think we're in a day and age where they would rather us figure it out using online troubleshooting or using a forum. "

Some problems cannot be figured out because they are bugs. All software companies, pragmatically, have to ship their products before they are bullet-proof so there will be bugs. They also have to keep shipping new stuff or die.

This support crap-or-joy varies from time to time and company to company, but there is plenty of precedent that lame support is the norm and why should we do more than the competition. I think there are a many examples where educated and responsive support makes a real difference, but what does that cost? If you are cutting corners, it is one of the first things to go.

Given that some percentage of the user base is bound to be caught in the whirlpool of some particular bug in the product, it would be really great if support was able to realize this one, or (yikes!) this trend, was a real, valid thing and pass it on to engineering. I'm sure the guys who wrote the programs never intended to miss a problem and would fix it if they knew about it given a chance, (and assuming time constraints and management let them).

In the real world, this opportunity for using your customer base to help you find and quickly fix problems in the product rarely seems to work. I have worked in both support and engineering and have tried to make this work with a dual perspective, but it is really hard to get it right for any length of time.

I think it should be done right because it is good for the company, but usually gets pushed near the bottom of the priority list. Engineering's real job is cranking out new stuff on a time-line. Support's job is to answer the phones and educate a bunch of idiots. We need those weird geeky guys to make us stuff to sell, and a bunch of friendly teachers to talk on the phones. Why should they share talents or talk to each other?

One key to making it work from the inside is to try to quantify and make visible what the company is actually throwing away vs. other, possibly less productive, ways to build and keep a customer base that they ARE throwing money at. Can't remember the last time I saw anyone smart enough to see it and also willing to fight the battles inside a company.

Go figgur. I guess it's like marriage. "Already got this one, why listen anymore?" Divorce, after a few years, is common both in marriage and hi-tech products.

[Anyone at Sony still read these forums? Feel free to let this post slip into your internal mail system as a customer comment.]

TGS wrote on 12/21/2007, 2:19 AM

[Anyone at Sony still read these forums? Feel free to let this post slip into your internal mail system as a customer comment.]

Oh, they read them.
Then they laugh at you for thinking they're ever going to start that snowball of actually getting involved.
Hell, they probably get some pretty good, money making ideas for free, reading these forums.
And...you are their free support.
ECB wrote on 12/21/2007, 5:56 AM
"How do I activate / access the Gold Support?"

To read about the Gold Plan go here

Ed
farss wrote on 12/21/2007, 11:58 AM
There's some good news in there, toll free numbers from most countries.

Bob.