Verbatim Printable DVD+R DL p/n 98319

rstrong wrote on 2/11/2014, 7:34 PM
Hi folks, anyone had any problems with the disks in the subject line. I ordered my usual disks that are made in Singapore, p/n 96862, but the box I received are made in United Arab Emirates. I don't want to open the cakebox only to find out they are krap. Anyone have any experience with these.
I can return them, but I have to take a photo of them along side it's invoice to prove to them that I'm not scamming them....sheeesh!

thanks,
robert

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Steve Mann wrote on 2/11/2014, 7:37 PM
You won't know until you open the cake and read the manufacturer code.

From: http://www.digitalfaq.com/reviews/dvd-media.htm

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Who Really Makes the Disc?

Realize that most media is produced by a relatively small number of factories, located in several different places. These factories are mostly present in Taiwan, Japan, Singapore, Malaysia, China and India. There are more, but those are the largest ones. The best media generally comes from Japan, Taiwan and Singapore. The worst typically comes from China and Malaysia.

The blank disc brand name on the package means almost nothing. Apple is a great brand, but they do not make their own discs, instead outsourcing to a company like Mitsubishi Chemicals. Common companies like Memorex, Maxell and Imation all outsource to media vendors. Mitsubishi also makes the discs for Verbatim, etc.

It is the media ID that is important, as it reveals the disc manufacturer. Unfortunately, this is not written on packaging or anywhere else. Companies want consumers to be oblivious to this sort of behind-the-scenes information. The Media ID is also used by your DVD burner to determine the burn parameters which includes the maximum burn speed.

I recommend that you use the freeware "DVD Identifier" to read the media ID to learn who *really* made the discs in your box:
http://www.afterdawn.com/software/cd_dvd/dvd_tools/dvd_identifier.cfm

DVD Identifier has it's own database to interpret the media ID into the manufacturer name and write parameters. Likewise, your DVD burner has a similar lookup table in its firmware. If your burner is relatively old, then newer DVD manufacturer's codes won't be found. The tipoff to this is when your DVD burner falls back to "safe" parameters, like a maximum burn speed of 2X. Some older burners revert to their max burn speed, like 24X, which almost never works. If this happens to you, then you need a firmware update or a new DVD burner.
Gary James wrote on 2/11/2014, 10:26 PM
I'd be a bit cautious about downloading the DVD Identifier program mentioned above from AfterDawn. I received a positive Malware detection message from my WebRoot security software the instant the file was finished downloading to disk. I've never had a false positive before with WebRoot, so I'd suggest that you take the proper precautions if you plan on using this program.

PeterDuke wrote on 2/11/2014, 10:51 PM
I've said this many times but I will say it again. Use the free program Nero DiscSpeed.

http://www.nero.com/ena/downloads/

The discspeed link is near the bottom of the page.

This handy utility will tell you the real manufacturer and much more for optical discs (CD, DVD and BD).

In particular, if you buy a burner with a certain chipset, such as those made by LiteOn, you will be able to read the soft errors before error correction. The theory is that a disc with low soft errors will last longer than one with high soft errors. Once the errors get too great, as will occur with time for various reasons, the error correction algorithm will be unable to make a correction, and a hard error occurs.

Note:

Errors are a function of both the disc and the reader. Never lose sight of that.
rstrong wrote on 2/12/2014, 12:29 AM
Thanks for the info guys. I'm still hoping that someone here has tried these disks, and can give me a thumbs up before I think about returning them. Or I may keep them and perhaps be the first to ever try them. They're supplier is trying to make me believe there are an upgrade.

thanks again,
robert

R. Strong

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videoITguy wrote on 2/12/2014, 11:56 AM
I cannot imagine why YOU would want Double layer discs. Stick with single layer please.
If you try to use Vegas and DVDAPro to build a video disc with a layer break, it is not going to be workable in a large majority of cases. DVDAPro can only assign a layer break at abritrary values unlike replication masters which have very precise rules for creating commercial releases.

If you are simply using them as DVD-ROM for data - be aware these can also cause problems on read by a DVD-Rom drive in a given PC.

Leave them on the shelf.
OldSmoke wrote on 2/12/2014, 1:21 PM
I use DL for my events simply because there is more space on it. I cant fit a 2hr good quality video with menus and background music onto a single disc. I could but it would look horrible du to the high compression. I use Verbatim exclusively and I had no issues with it. DVDA will ask at which chapter to split and go to the next layer. I haven't gotten a single disc back from my customers and I burned so far 250pcs. over the past two years.

The handy Nero tool, thanks for the link, reports the following for my discs:

Nero DiscSpeed: Disc Info
Basic Information
Disc type: : DVD+R DL (empty)
Book Type : DVD+R DL
Manufacturer: : Verbatim
MID : MKM 003 000 (00h)
Write speeds: : 4 X - 6 X - 8 X
Blank Capacity : 7.96 GB
: 8152 MB
: 8547993600 bytes

Edit: I also use BD-DL without any issue.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

Steve Mann wrote on 2/12/2014, 5:29 PM
" I'm still hoping that someone here has tried these disks, and can give me a thumbs up before I think about returning them."

What part of "the name on the package does not mean anything" did you not get?
ottor wrote on 2/12/2014, 6:44 PM
I'm using Verbatim DVD+R DL discs in a 25 pack, P/N #43667 and the shrink wrap on the pack says "Made in UAE".

I haven't had any problems, I've used hundreds of these.

ImgBurn shows this:

Disc Information:
Status: Empty
State of Last Session: Empty
Erasable: No
Free Sectors: 4,173,824
Free Space: 8,547,991,552 bytes
Free Time: 927:32:74 (MM:SS:FF)
Next Writable Address: 0
MID: MKM-003-00
Supported Write Speeds: 4x, 6x, 8x
TVJohn wrote on 2/12/2014, 9:00 PM
Have used the Verbatim DL disks in AZO marked packages. The lesser costed items marked Lifestyle Series have also worked, but do not have the same stellar reputation .
rstrong wrote on 2/12/2014, 9:59 PM
Steve Mann,
I read on these forums during the past years, that 'Made in Singapore' were the only ones to buy, and to stay away from the others. These disks are made in 'United Arab Emirates'. I am curious to try them to see how they are.
Ottor posted that he has used UAE disks with no problems, so I am really tempted.
VideoITGuy.....I use the DL disks because the disks are played on our local cable station here, and the disk loops after 2 hours. The videos are basically nature type videos. I did pick up a 5 disk player recently so I have that to consider if I want to render the videos at 1 hour, using multiple disks. I have absolutely had 0 failures with the Verbatim DL disks. And Sony's BD single & DL disks are 100% too.

thanks for all the replies,
robert

R. Strong

Custom remote refrigerated water cooled system for CPU & GPU. Intel i7- 6950X, 10 Core (4.3 Turbo) 64gb DDR4, Win7 64 Bit, SP1. Nvidia RTX 2080, Studio driver 431.36, Cameras: Sony HVR-Z5U, HVR-V1U, HVR-A1U, HDR-HC3. Canon 5K MK2, SX50HS. GoPro Hero2. Nikon CoolPix P510. YouTube: rstrongvideo

craftech wrote on 2/13/2014, 8:05 AM
While I have gotten DL discs to work after playing around a lot with them they are of no practical use to me because my homemade 7-target duplicator won't accurately duplicate DL discs. So I end up with two SL discs for most productions. If someone has an answer to that problem I would appreciate it.

John
dxdy wrote on 2/13/2014, 9:20 AM
When I did my neighbor's Christmas program, I told her that we would need to use either DL DVD or BluRay to get everything on one disk. Not everyone has a player that will handle DL or BR, so we went with 2 DVDs in a single clamshell, and charged and raised the price from last year's $20 to $25. (All prices in USD). She sold the same number this year as she did last year.

OldSmoke wrote on 2/13/2014, 9:29 AM
A player that can't handle DVD DL? Are you sure?

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

videoITguy wrote on 2/13/2014, 10:20 AM
craftech,John, If your duplicator is based on the standards of replication there is a very good reason that burned DL discs might not work. As I commented above, unless the layer break occurs exactly under a precise rule, then replication cannot deal with it.
That is why you can not use DVDAPro to satisfactorily produce a DL master- because it arbitrarily breaks the layer at indeterminate points.

You can access software to go into an edit mode and fix a disc and reburn- but then you have wasted the expense of two burned discs to make one master- and the edit is technically difficult to execute with the untrained hand.

Stay away from DL unless you just want the disc for yourself - and live with it being unrecoverable in the near term.
riredale wrote on 2/13/2014, 3:19 PM
Not my experience. I've burned many dozens of DVD+DL Verbatims, not a single return.

I do think the burning program makes a big difference. I've never used the DVD-A program. I've also never worked with a multi-disk duplicator, which I'd assume lives in its own closed world of hardware+software.

Also, dual-layer is part of the DVD spec. Any player (other than really old ones that didn't like ANY burned disk) should be fine. It would be nice to be able to specify where the layer break occurs (some burning utilities allow for this) but even if it's left up to the burner, the break results in a very brief pause during playback.
PeterDuke wrote on 2/13/2014, 6:38 PM
"That is why you can not use DVDAPro to satisfactorily produce a DL master- because it arbitrarily breaks the layer at indeterminate points"

There is nothing indeterminate about it at all. The DVD standard imposes restrictions on where the layer break may be. If there is no marker already in this permitted range, DVD Arch. will ask you to insert one yourself. If two or more, it recommends the best one and asks for your confirmation.

I have only played DL discs on my equipment and never had a failure. Perhaps that is because I always check the soft errors of burnt optical discs, and if on the high side I discard them and burn another.
OldJack wrote on 2/13/2014, 6:51 PM
"DVDAPro can only assign a layer break at abritrary values "

If you want a break at a specific point all you have to do is add a marker on the vegas timeline near the one hour point and DVDA will let you select that for the break.
OldJack wrote on 2/13/2014, 6:53 PM
>> Perhaps that is because I always check the soft errors of burnt optical discs, and if on the high side I discard them and burn another.<<

How do you do that?
PeterDuke wrote on 2/13/2014, 6:59 PM
See my first post (fourth in the thread).
PeterDuke wrote on 2/13/2014, 7:04 PM
"add a marker on the vegas timeline near the one hour point "

See this article for a better understanding of layer break position:

http://mediachance.com/dvdlab/Helppro/layerbreak.htm
videoITguy wrote on 2/13/2014, 8:12 PM
Peter Duke, your article reference is a good one - However to correct your point of view, my friend, DVDAPro does not enable the precise position of layer break as explained in detail by this other source.

Take a burned DVDAPro disc and examine its cell structure - over half the time it will not be correct as explained well in your source. You take your chances, and replication will not cut it.
PeterDuke wrote on 2/14/2014, 12:27 AM
Are you saying that the break does not occur where you put the marker?
OldSmoke wrote on 2/14/2014, 7:26 AM
I have used DVDA with DL disks but I haven't done a master for replication. I have burned all disks straight from DVDA and even if I burn the same disk again, it will ask where to place the LB for each disk. My projects that go on a DL disk usually have around 20 Chapters and that seems to work fine; I haven't gotten a single disc back from my customers. DVDA will show a list of possible chapters which are markers and then make the LB based on the selection. What I don't understand is why the replication software can't read the LB and do what it is supposed to do, replicate it. The other thing I noticed is that DVDA can't place the markers exactly where the are in the VP timeline. The markers in question will have an exclamation mark in the DVDA timeline and need to be relocated.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

videoITguy wrote on 2/14/2014, 9:24 AM
Chapter markers with yellow exclamation in DVD prep is discussed in the help file - they need to occur on the correct I-frame (as I recall) and DVD warns you with the yellow. It has nothing to do with layer break.

Layer break needs the actual positioning accuracy that the DVD spec requires - DVDAPro does not give you the tools or interface to do this.

Think of it like this - if I address mail to get John Doe in the 2400 block of Elm street - what has a better chance of getting in John Doe's hands - mail addressed to 2412 Elm street or the block of 2400 in the city. Chances are...