TheHappyFriar wrote on 11/4/2015, 5:47 AM
When I upgraded 8.1 nothing had to be re-registered that I can remember.
sging1 wrote on 11/4/2015, 7:33 AM
It was a few months ago but I had to also revert back to 7 with a fresh install as the Windows 10 revert button would not work. I had loads of issues with rendering etc. Completely brought my editing to a stop. there was a lot of drivers that did not update. I don't like the fact it will install updates with out you having control. If it did this in the middle of an edit and it went wrong like some graphics cards updates have done it could be very disruptive at peak wedding season.

VidMus wrote on 11/4/2015, 7:37 AM
Like windows 8 it has a much faster boot up time BUT it does so by sort of being in a hibernate mode instead of a true shutdown. There have been a number of times when Windows 10 would not completely boot up properly.

The software that monitors my CPU temperatures (I cannot remember the name because my brain is old) does not always come up on boot. There are other minor miscues as well. The system does not always run up to par. So I will then do a restart which actually does clear out the cobwebs and then everything works as it should.

If there is a setting to make Windows 10 shut completely down and boot up slower but correctly, I would like to know what it is and not have to waste time restarting to get the cobwebs out.

I used to be able to play DVDA mpeg files that do not have audio with Windows Media Player. I can no longer do so. Also, I cannot find a way to set the colors correctly so that the top of the player window is not white and annoying.

The overall stability is better on my system. USB 3 and many other functions work better as well. Internet sucks bad with Windows 10! I cannot copy the cookies with their passwords like I used to. So I had to re-log-in on all of my favorite sites on my editing system because I could not export the cookies from my notebook computer. It ONLY allows import!

So, it is a big mix of positives and negatives. One has to decide if the negatives are more than they want to deal with. Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit is what I was using and I noticed that it was getting quite flaky at times.

I did have a few BSOD's with Windows 10 at first but those seem to have disappeared after a few updates. At least I have not seen them for quite a while now.

I did an upgrade from Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit. I did not do a clean install because I did not want to deal with trying to reinstall all the stuff I had. And I could not find a simple way to save all of my Vegas settings without going through a whole lot of crap to do it OR having to spend money on software to do it!

If SCS releases another build, they should provide a built-in utility to save ALL of the Vegas settings so one can either do a re-install of Vegas after a clean install of Windows or an install of Vegas on a new computer without all of the hogwash! And I do mean ALL of the settings not just a few main ones!!!

I still have the Windows 7 boot on a back-up drive if I should get tired of Windows 10 BUT I cannot copy my current Vegas setting to it because the reasons I already stated! Come on SCS, please get this right!!!

Anyway, those are some of my thoughts on this for now. I got to get back to editing...
Steve Grisetti wrote on 11/4/2015, 11:03 AM
It's the future of PC operating systems. Eventually we'll all be on it.

Just be glad you weren't a Mac user when Apple went from OS9 to OSX. OSX wouldn't work on most current hardware so all Mac users had to replace EVERYTHING in order to stay current! Though of course the Mac world is so much better for it. OSX has remained the platform that all of their operating systems have been built on for the past 15 years!

I think this is Microsoft's plan with Windows 10 also.
John_Cline wrote on 11/4/2015, 2:18 PM
I've upgraded 15 machines running 64-bit versions of either Win 7 and Win 8.1 to Win 10, no problems.
diverG wrote on 11/4/2015, 2:23 PM
Went through smoothly on 4 machines. Win7 to W10. Made an off machine image using Macrium Reflect (free) but Windows own 'backup & restore' is more than adequate.

Out of interest tried revert back to W7. Failed on 1st machine so tried the rest as I upgraded. Only worked on 2. Restored failed machines back to W7 and upgraded a second time. Deleted the W7_Old files from the upgrade and took yet another image.

Have since clean installed W10 on 2 of these pc's.

Still prefer W7 but a couple of years short of 80 so somewhat set in my ways.

Sys 1 Gig Z370-HD3, i7 8086K @ 5.0 Ghz 16gb ram, 250gb SSD, 2x2Tb hd,  GTX 1060 6Gb, BMIP4k video out. (PS 750W); Vegas 18 & 19 plus Edius 8WG DVResolve18 Studio. Win 10 Pro (22H2) Bld 19045.2311

Sys 2 Gig Z170-HD3, i7 6700K @ 3.8Ghz 16gb ram, 250gb SSD, 2x2Tb, hdd GTX 750ti, BMIP4k video out. (PS 650W) Vegas 18 plus Edius 8WG DVResolve18 Studio Win 10 Pro (22H2) Bld 19045.2311

Sys 3 Laptop 'Clevo' i7 6700K @ 3.0ghz, 16gb ram, 250gb SSd + 2Tb hdd,   nvidia 940 M graphics. VP17, Plus Edius 8WG Win 10 Pro (20H2) Resolve18


wwjd wrote on 11/4/2015, 2:52 PM
four machines, two running vegas, zero issues. worth it.
GeeBax wrote on 11/4/2015, 3:37 PM
The one think that has gone, and I need it, is the Virtual PC running in Win XP mode. I was able to run old programs under it, but not any more. I had an installation of the development environment Dephi on there, and now cannot run it. The new version of Delphi costs a ransom.

Fortunately I kept an image of Win 7 on a SSD so I can swap it into use if I need.
VMP wrote on 11/4/2015, 4:12 PM
Gbax, indeed that is one of the reasons I have not upgraded my main W7 system to W10.

Have you seen these kinds of articles:

Not sure if it is a safe workaround.

But what is the use of upgrading a Vegas machine beside the new look of Windows 10?
Is W10 any faster than W7 when using Vegas?

PeterDuke wrote on 11/4/2015, 4:16 PM
The upgrade from 7 went smoothly, with no issues so far. I have not done any proper tests but it seems no faster, and sometimes hesitates to open a new window. Copying files seems to require a few more mouse clicks. There have been no obvious advantages, except that I am where the world is moving to.
Kit wrote on 11/4/2015, 4:30 PM
There's no way I'm letting Windows 10 force itself onto my main machine. We had one tablet that I allowed Windows 10 onto. I found the interface slightly better than Windows 8.1 but still requires Classic Shell to be usable. I despise all the junk that comes with the install. Windows Store wouldn't work and Windows 8 + without access to apps is pointless. Trying to return to 8.1 didn't work, neither did refresh and using reset bricked the whole tablet totally destroying the touch functionality. It's currently back with the makers and I have yet to discover whether they will fix it under warranty or not.

The combination of forced updates and destruction of privacy with Windows 10 makes it a no-go for me. There's a tool called O&O ShutUp10 that is supposed to give the user the control back including blocking updates but I don't know how well it works since I now don't have Windows 10.

I think it's a shame the path Microsoft are taking. The one advantage of Windows was that there was some user choice and control and Microsoft seem hell-bent on taking that away.
wwjd wrote on 11/4/2015, 9:02 PM
Most everything feels faster in Win 10 to me, compred to previous OSes. (My profession is PC tech for 20 years)
Example for me other than basic ZIPPIER overall feel, is ejecting SD cards. For reasons that seemed silly, doing so used to take 2 to 20 seconds, and now Win10, it is almost instant. Like it always should have been. YMMV
But I don't feel 10 is "ALL NEW", just some upgrades to basic 7/8 engine. If it was all new, tons of things would be crashing - like every other new OS upgrade did.
Only thing I had to do was update ONE driver for a touchpad on one laptop. So, I don't count that as a fault.
JohnnyRoy wrote on 11/5/2015, 5:40 AM
> Posted by: GeeBax "The one think that has gone, and I need it, is the Virtual PC running in Win XP mode. I was able to run old programs under it, but not any more. I had an installation of the development environment Dephi on there, and now cannot run it."

Get the free VirtualBox. This will allow you to run Windows XP on Windows 10. There are ways of converting your Virtual PC image to VirtualBox format.

If you need help, contact me off-line via my forum profile and I would be happy to help you with it. I use VirtualBox every day for my work.

malowz wrote on 11/5/2015, 5:54 AM
i made a clean install of windows 10, everything was fast and working. as mentioned, usb hardware detection as uber-fast. everything worked great.

but the amount of stuff i had to remove to make it "clean" was absurd. and in the end still i didn't like it. not even the basic theme i was able to use, cause they removed it (i like clean grey colors)

in the end, the good stuff didn't surpass the bad stuff. went back to win7. installed clean, a few teaks, everything works as i want it. to me feels as fast as win10.

will keep with 7 for a while.
wwjd wrote on 11/5/2015, 8:45 AM
new installs are ALWAYS fast. :) It's the only way to renew your system
Glenn Thomas wrote on 11/6/2015, 4:13 AM
Windows 10 works fine. I've had no issues at all on my older homebuilt i7 3770 pc. Well, apart from having to upgrade my AMD R9 280 graphics card manually.

Remember the upgrade is only free for a year. So I'd suggest everyone upgrade asap if you want to be up to date.
VMP wrote on 11/6/2015, 10:09 AM
PC makers' tech support asks customers to avoid Windows 10

Tried to install Windows 10 on my Laptop yesteraday, but it said that it doesen't support its graphics card (sis mirage 3 graphics), so it can't install.

JohnnyRoy wrote on 11/6/2015, 10:17 PM
> "PC makers' tech support asks customers to avoid Windows 10"

This isn't new and is *extremely* important to understand. When you buy a pre-built PC from Dell or HP or Lenovo, you can only get support if you still have the original OS that it was sold with. As soon as you upgrade they don't want to know you.

I had this happen to me when I upgraded a Dell computer to Windows XP. Even though Dell provided all of the drivers on their web site, once I contacted customer support and they found out that I replaced Windows 98 with Windows XP they refused to answer my questions until I put Windows 98 back on the computer.

You have to admit, it's in their best interest. They sold you a turnkey system and they only support the system the way it was sold.

PeterDuke wrote on 11/8/2015, 1:40 AM
I just found out that Vegas Pro 8 (a 32 bit app) won't start under Windows 10. It hangs while trying to initialize DirectX plugins.

I uninstalled and reinstalled it with the same result.
Steve Grisetti wrote on 11/8/2015, 8:09 AM
Vegas Pro 8? That program came out the same years as Windows Vista -- that's four operating systems ago!
PeterDuke wrote on 11/8/2015, 4:57 PM
It doesn't worry me except the fact that I expected it to work. What else won't work?

Some users here use old versions of Vegas. I have been regularly using Vegas 9c because it sort of smart renders AVCHD. I think somebody here uses Vegas 7, or did so until recently.