Video Presentation on business card size CD

Trichome wrote on 8/28/2003, 11:23 PM
PROJECT: 5-7 min long and destination is computers and output to TV.

QUESTION: What is my best render option for this??? Quality is a must, Shaped CD a must, length of project is a possible flexibility.

What is the best resolution I can hope for on a business card sized CD [85M].

Any help appreciated. Should I burn as a VCD and hope the quality will pass .

It is a job I have for the City and they want to present a very corporate image.


Cheers.

Comments

Chienworks wrote on 8/29/2003, 6:40 AM
MPEG-1 is probably your best choice because you can't guarantee that everyone will have an MPEG-2 decoder installed. You can fit 7 minutes at 1650Kbps combined bitrate in 85MB. I would suggest about 1200Kbps for video and 128Kbps for audio just to be safe. You can crank up the video to 1500Kbps if necessary, but i wouldn't push it. At these rates you'll probably be safest going with 320x240 for a frame size because you'll get less artifacting. Rendering at 23.976fps instead of 29.97 will give you a couple of advantages: there will be more bits available for each frame, and the slower frame rate will play back more smoothly on older computers. However, the downside to this is that the frames will be resampled so there may be some blurriness introduced. Try it both ways and see which looks better.
kameronj wrote on 8/29/2003, 6:57 AM
I agree.

MPEG1 is probably your best bet - from a compatitbility issue.

Otherwise...if it is going to be played on a PC that has output to TV - you could go the DIVX route.

DIVX will compress that bab boy to some ridiculously small file and you pretty much will loose no quality.

To be on the safe side - you could put a folder on the CD with a DivX player/codec on it in case the target audience doesn't have one. They could install the player first....before they have to play the presentation (as a test) and then run the presentation.

As a DivX compressed file - I don't think the storage size of the credit card sized CD will be an issue....especially if it is a 7 minute presentation.
farss wrote on 8/29/2003, 8:17 AM
Warning,
business card sized CDs are a disaster and should only be used to give to people you really hate. I've had one of them fly completely out of a drive and end up inside my PCs case.

They might have been OK when CD readers only ran at warp 2 but not these days. I'm assuming you're talking about the square ones not the smaller round ones.

Please don't take my word for this, I'd hate you to loose a job for a big client, so get a couple, burn somthing onto them just to fill it up and then try copying the file(s) back in a warp 10 reader and see what happens.

Suggest leaving the room while testing.
Trichome wrote on 8/29/2003, 10:01 AM
Thanks all for the info, and the safety warning, farss.
Hopefully this will go smoothly.
The Economic Developer at the City wants to use the presentation to lure new business to our area.
I appreciate all the detailed help!!!
Jsnkc wrote on 8/29/2003, 10:55 AM
If he really wants to stay on the MiniCD's at least try to convince him to go with the 80mm round CD's those are less likely to spin off in someones drive (that wouldn't be good for business)

Also I do agree to stick with a MPEG-1 - VCD file
craftech wrote on 8/29/2003, 11:31 AM
Use the rectangular ones with the ROUNDED ends, not the fully rectangular ones (they come out of the tray holder more easily.

Do not use a format which involves installing a codec first in order to play it. Too many unforseen problems could occur with compatibility and/or playability on people's computers. That includes Windows Media Player 9.

In terms of priorities (if you are trying to generate business) I would put them in this order:

1. Compatibility and playability (in order to avoid downright anger).

2. Content

3. Quality

My vote would go for Mpeg-1. There is a nice program to design business card CD's called Autoplay Media Studio 4.0. You can use several formats with it and it + photos + it does an attractive business card layout as well.

Another option is to use VHS promo tapes. You can buy T-10 tapes and use the face label for the business card layout. That format will also directly output to a TV so you don't have to be concerned about a client's capability for computer output to TV.

John
Jsnkc wrote on 8/29/2003, 12:17 PM
I'm sure you already have an authoring program for your Cd-ROM, but if you don't, check out Multimedia Builder. www.mediachance.com, comparable in features to Director(except for the whole Mac thing) but it's only like $50 and very easy to use
Trichome wrote on 8/29/2003, 3:03 PM
Cheers

I forgot to ask about auto play features. Is there a file I can include to make sure the program launches automatically when the disc is inserted. [autorun]???

I will include DVD and VHS master backups for this project for compatability, and live presentation format.
But the novelty of the shaped CD really seems to be important to the client at this stage of things. I think mini CD would be a good solution and likely add some more precious space.

Thanks everyone. I will be using Vegas as my primary application for this project of major importance to this City's Chamber of Commerce, Board of Tourism, and Economical Development Departments.
Graphics and logos will be created or modified in Photoshop, and Fireworks and Flash.

I will share with you all the outcome or [hopefully not] anyproblems I encounter during the next few weeks and thanks again for taking the time to respond.

Gary
kameronj wrote on 8/29/2003, 4:40 PM
Autorun is a mixed bag of nuts (sort of).

It's easy enough to do. I don't want to type out the command here (I may screw up the context), but check out any autorun file on any cd....and change the target (in a text editor)...that should work.

Anyone wanna back me up on this one?
craftech wrote on 8/30/2003, 1:49 AM
Autoplay Media Studio 4.0 will set the CD to autorun.
farss wrote on 8/30/2003, 6:28 AM
Craftech,
could you expand on that a little, please.
Jay Gladwell wrote on 8/30/2003, 7:57 AM
If cost is an issue, check out Typhoon Software's AutoRun at
http://www.typhoonsoftware.com/
kameronj wrote on 8/30/2003, 9:14 AM
www.typhoonsoftware.com

At first I looked at this site and thought - what a bunch of crap. Someone wants to sell a product that anyone with a text editor can do for free.

But then, I was reading the specs and thought - well, on second thought - it's pretty freakin neat. I know a lot of people don't really care for coding - or creating some simple file such as an autorun - so this is a great little app aimed for those folks.

And for only 20 bucks....it's not that bad a deal. Not in the least bit.

Good tip!!
craftech wrote on 8/30/2003, 3:45 PM
Farss,
You asked me to expand upon the autoplay capabilities of Autoplay Media Studio 4.0.
The program creates autorun CD-Roms whether they be full size, business card size, or mini-size. It will create interactive business cards and has built-in Macromedia Flash capabilities. It has a drag and drop interface in which you can drag and drop various picture and video files as well as text and audio files on pre-designed or custom designed layouts and create titles and buttons within the program.

This page has some sample projects:

http://www.autoplaystudio.com/site/index.php

John
farss wrote on 8/30/2003, 10:35 PM
John,
thanks a lot for the info, I'll have a serious look at it as I've got to make some training / sales CDs and expecting a saleman / trainer to double click on a file is a big ask.
farss wrote on 8/30/2003, 10:40 PM
John,
I just had a look at it and it looks very capable although much more than I need to just create a CD that plays as soon as it goes into the drive.

But then again the client has plenty of bucks and being able to make it more interactive could be a real value add, maybe I'll just factor the purchase price into the quote.
snicholshms wrote on 8/31/2003, 2:00 AM
Check out:
http://www.karenware.com/powertools/ptautorun.asp
It's free and works great

Then check out:
http://www.m2cdpro.com/
It's inexpensive and a great value. You can have several menu items and
direct viewers to a webite. It's about the easiest software to learn.