Did you manage to stabilise in Vegas Pro 14 without it crashing or hanging the program?

What settings did you use? Did you check the checkbox for rolling shutter removal?

I think I can still see some jello there but it could just be the low resolution of youtube.

No crash happening... but, the source I got from Vimeo is 1080-30p - is this the same source as you use?

I only use Light Stabilization preset without rolling shutter removal.

Let me try once more with rolling shutter removal.

OK, yes, I rendered the video to 1080P 30fps and that is what the Vimeo download will give you.

I was trying to stabilise a 4K clip and maybe that is what crashes Vegas.

The stabilisation defaults are 0.5 and 0.5.

I think I still see jello there.

Let me upload a 4K video somewhere...

I have crashed Pro 14 again. The progress bar quickly runs up to 9 seconds and then freezes

http://peter-ftp.co.uk/screenshots/2017-06-27_172717.jpg

The jello will not be easy to be minimized... but I'll try experiment with your 4K video, especially to check if it is crashing my VP14...

1.4GB 4K video here: http://peter-ftp.co.uk/videos/x3000-test2-4k.MXF

However, when I load that into Vegas 14 and run stabilise on it, Vegas doesn't crash! So the crashing is size based, or maybe limited to the video coming out of the Sony camera. The above clip has been rendered by Vegas using the stock XAVC template.

However Vegas does crash immediate when I click on Undo (stabilise); it offers to send some info to Vegas. So at least somebody ought to be able to reproduce this.

I had also several crashes when trying to stabilize 4k video with Vegas 14 internal stabilizer, with is based on Mercalli2 (seems a bug to me). Peter did you try the Mercalli 4 plugin that came with VegasPro 14, it has a very good filter for minimizing jello?

Mecalli 4 doesn't seem to do anything, although I don't know if I was using it correctly. The rendered video looks just the same. Vegas also still crashed at the end of the rendering

http://peter-ftp.co.uk/screenshots/2017-06-27_211130.jpg

This software is all so buggy it is basically useless. Vegas Movie Studio 11, running under winXP, never crashed and I never found a bug in it. The only reason I moved on from it was for lens correction, but the X3000 camera needs little or no lens correction. And of course it doesn't support 4K at all. But I might have to go back to shooting 1080P anyway, to get the camera to stabilise the video.

Mecalli 4 doesn't seem to do anything, although I don't know if I was using it correctly. The rendered video looks just the same.

Did you use the CMOS Fixer? After applying this fixer to an event you have to press "Estimate".

I think the CMOS fixr worked! I will upload the resulting file overnight.

Here it is http://peter-ftp.co.uk/videos/jello4.MP4

However the result is nowhere near as good as shooting in 1080P 50fps with the old X1000 camera:
https://vimeo.com/221749045
(similar scenery from 2:50) which is vastly smoother and with zero distortion. And that video is after substantial lens correction which required a crop and thus involved pixel replication.

I have modded to camera mount to be even stiffer and will re-test in about a week. But in the end I might have to abandon 4K shooting.

I will delete these files in about a week because while the server has loads of BW it has only limited space.

I have done one render with Mercalli 4 on the "precise" setting. It uses a lot more memory and even with 24GB I had to shut down some apps. The result is:  http://peter-ftp.co.uk/videos/jello5.MP4

I can't see it is any better.

Nothing gets remotely close to shooting in 50 or 60fps...

An update: the Sony X3000 seems to suffer from jello if optical stabilisation is being used and there is virtually any vibration. And in the 4K setting, optical stabilisation is the only available option because the sensor itself is 4K-sized.

One solution which works is to disable the stabilisation:

https://vimeo.com/224740265

I never found anything in Vegas that does anything worthwhile with this issue.

The other solution is to shoot in 1080 and then one can use software stabilisation, which doesn't seem to have the jello problem. The problem is that if you want to do lens correction, you end up replicating pixels. But you can get 60fps or even 120fps.

I work with Panasonic 30 fps 4K all day and no issues. Its either your camera or you. I've worked with Mercalli PRO 4.0 since it came out and if you can not fix it with Mercalli you shot it wrong and need to shoot it again. Real problem here is pilot error.

Totally right! I think peterh337 would be far better off asking respectful questions rather than just dissing' Vegas and Mercalli. I will give you one hint: you should be using Mercalli 4 NOT cmos fixer, use progressive footage, and make sure your project frame rate and footage frame rate match exactly. Then it is simply apply the effect, click analyse and it works perfectly 90% of the time. No crashes.

I am always happy to learn something.

Just tried Mercalli 4, applied to the event (tried timeline before that) and it doesn't do anything. Clicking on Analyse does nothing.

I am working with 29.97P video and have the project set the same way. As of now I am running the latest update of Vegas Pro 14.

The Analyse issue has been solved. The program silently fails to work if the event is longer than a certain time. I had a 30 minute video.

Mercalli 4 doesn't fix the jello either. No visible difference.

In my experience, nothing really does a good job of repairing "jello" Sometimes a combination of CMOS fixer and Mercalli makes it acceptable (subjective); sometimes it makes it worse. You might want to try dividing your 30 minute clip into much smaller pieces (as events on the timeline, not the original source) and try stabilizing each individually - might look OK, but I suspect the transition between each event may be off.

Other than that, you would have to try something hard-core like Mocha's planer tracker. Boris offers it in one of their effects packages for Vegas, but I think it is expensive.

In my experience, nothing really does a good job of repairing "jello" Sometimes a combination of CMOS fixer and Mercalli makes it acceptable (subjective); sometimes it makes it worse. You might want to try dividing your 30 minute clip into much smaller pieces (as events on the timeline, not the original source) and try stabilizing each individually - might look OK, but I suspect the transition between each event may be off.

Other than that, you would have to try something hard-core like Mocha's planer tracker. Boris offers it in one of their effects packages for Vegas, but I think it is expensive.

 

+1 I'd never try and stabilize anything longer than 10-15 seconds even Mercalli PRO can have problems with longer videos.

One problem is that once I have disabled optical stabilisation, the jello is only in parts of the image. It is visible in the bottom right, rarely in the middle.

I reckon that even when the stabilisation is disabled, the lens module is wobbling around. The only solution would be a camera without this feature, or to open the camera and epoxy the lens module in place :)